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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Sep 11th 2019 at 7:54:40 PM

[up]Yeah, Bonyu is a former member of the Ginyu Force, and she's of the same species as Jeice.

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Demongodofchaos2 Best Dad from Eldritch Nightmareland Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Best Dad
Sep 11th 2019 at 7:59:22 PM

Her milk pun is Breast Milk. tongue

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randomness4 Snow Girl from The Land of Inconvenience
Snow Girl
Sep 11th 2019 at 8:03:55 PM

Best Milk.

Ok, I think I get the pun there.

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fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Sep 11th 2019 at 8:56:53 PM

Step forward, step back, I guess.

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Moving to Australia Jan 14
Sep 12th 2019 at 2:23:00 AM

Universe 7 is pretty weak on average-a power level of 1000 is considered rare and that's just weaker than Raditz. Frieza and his family probably just got their men in the first place because they were so freakishly powerful they could bully pretty much everyone into obeying them or they'd blow up their planet. The surprising thing is that they even bother selling planets they conquer and not just enslave everyone and everything they come across. Then again, Aku pays for his pizza and he's a God of Evil

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Sep 12th 2019 at 2:26:46 AM

Or, perhaps, those powers are the norm across universes rather than the exception?

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Everybody's Aunt
Sep 12th 2019 at 5:29:13 AM

Isn't Chi-Chi's name also a breast milk pun?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 12th 2019 at 5:34:40 AM

Yup. Toriyama and his crude humor

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Demongodofchaos2 Best Dad from Eldritch Nightmareland Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Best Dad
Sep 14th 2019 at 7:09:57 AM

Vegeta gameplay:

Badman shirt confirmed.

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HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Sep 17th 2019 at 9:13:36 PM

You know, it occurs to me that Goku seems to have poor luck against Robots and Artificial Humans:

  • Gets his ass handed to him by Seargent Metallic and only wins when the latter runs out of power (despite completely blowing Metallic's head off);

  • Was actually weaker than Hatchan / Eighter, and likely would have died if they'd fought (which we see a bit of in the Path To Power movie). He's lucky Eighter turned out to be an Actual Pacifist.

  • Had a tough fight with the Pirate Robot. Him and Krillin taking it on together wasn't enough, though he did beat it in the end. Still he's taken out human enemies much easier than that thing.

  • Stood no chance ( and still doesn't) against Arale. I know they weren't enemies, but it kinda fits with the theme.

  • Now we jump ahead a few years, where he's losing to Android 19 (who does still have a human brain, but is more machine than man). Now that's not totally due to being weaker so much as it is 19 getting lucky due to the heart disease Goku had, but it still counts because he started having the heart problem in the middle of the fight.

  • He flat out loses to Cell, who while organic, is still an Android.

Garo may have been on to something with attacking Goku with Androids. They seem to be the one opponent that gives him trouble in the old series.

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randomness4 Snow Girl from The Land of Inconvenience
Snow Girl
Sep 17th 2019 at 9:17:02 PM

That's excellent.

In a series like Dragon Ball, it makes total sense.

Hard work cannot beat machine designed to be better than man.

That's a weirdly consistent thing.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 17th 2019 at 9:17:43 AM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 4:09:54 AM

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The last 2 minutes of Unmei no Hi should had been used when Gohan won the Kamehameha duel against Cell.

Sep 19th 2019 at 11:31:14 AM

You know, a thought occurs to me: people are always railing against how Goku (and to a lesser extent the rest of the cast) aren't "heroic" enough, and there are actually some fair points on that.

But then you have other times when people will also rail against the cast for things that, by all rights, are traditionally heroic, if not the most pragmatic thing.

The people who will simultaneously go on about how the cast don't do enough to save people, but also have the attitude of "the Dragonballs exist, so don't worry about people dying right now" will never not baffle me.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 19th 2019 at 1:44:19 PM

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so as i pray, unlimited fluff works
Sep 19th 2019 at 11:40:55 AM

it's about complaining about dragon ball, whether the complaints are internally consistent is irrelevant

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Sep 19th 2019 at 1:11:29 PM

It's like when people complain about Goku being a bad dad training all the time, then ALSO complain about Gohan NOT training all the time, wasting his time working for his family.

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vicarious
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:13:46 PM

I actually kind of appreciate in a way that Gohan had his own values and desires that he wanted to be an academic and raise a family a bit more healthy.

You canít really have both, Gohan the family man and Gohan the future of the franchise as the lead action man

So while it may be disappointing to see Gohan not always be a badass, at the same time, you can feel happy for him that he succeeded at his own happy ending

Sep 19th 2019 at 1:44:45 PM

There is the issue of the writing though, in that the creators of the series both don't want Gohan to jump in and be one of the lead fighters, but also want him to be able to fight whenever they need him, and so he sticks awkwardly around the forefront.

Which wouldn't be so bad, except it then translates to the writers not being willing to commit to either. So instead of Gohan being the one who got his happy ending, he ends up as "the one who is constantly insecure about being strong enough and also insecure about living the life he wants, and never resolves any of those things."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2019 at 1:46:21 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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Formerly G.G.
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:46:46 PM

I wonder if it has something to do with the way Dragon Ball is structured? Or if it is a side effect of it?

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MightyMatilda Never Forget from New Jersey, USA
Never Forget
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:56:04 PM

In other words, there's a very good reason why his popularity peaked at the end of the Cell Games.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 19th 2019 at 3:00:30 PM

Like Known said; they tried to have their cake and eat it too.

Toriyama felt Gohan wasn't suited towards the central role, but also didn't want to retire him either. So now he basically just...exists.

The entire last arc of Super is basically just one long reminder "Hey guys, Gohan can still fight" but he never actually accomplishes anything important in the grand scheme of things.

He's on the same level of importance as Tien, or Yamcha with the only difference being that he's Goku's son so he not completely overlooked.

Toriyama basically completed Gohan's character arc, then just discarded him...like he does with any character he has no further use for after their arcs are over.

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Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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Sep 19th 2019 at 3:16:41 PM

You canít really have both, Gohan the family man and Gohan the future of the franchise as the lead action man

You absolutely can, that's just a writing Fiat that it doesn't happen.

Never stopped Vegeta.

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Insane Religious Murderbot
Sep 19th 2019 at 3:18:21 PM

Whatís annoying about that is Vegeta despite all his talk of family is still half-assing it as a husband & father.

Bulma has to practically drag him on family trips & he always acts like the family kid who never wants to go anywhere.

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Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads
Sep 19th 2019 at 3:24:42 PM

TBH, I don't mind that at all. That seems very in-character for him. He's doing something he very much does not enjoy because he knows it's important to his loved ones.

I am just annoyed that him caring for his family is used as a source of cheap power-ups, when it's also used as an excuse not to utilize Gohan. Even more damning is the fact that Vegeta's original development was about realizing that having people to fight for isn't a source of cheap power-ups. Or that now he's effectively taken Gohan's stick of powering up when getting MAD

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 19th 2019 at 3:46:30 PM

Vegeta is kind of in the same place? In that, his character has both progressed and regressed but the only difference is that he actually matters unlike Gohan.

And the only reason Vegeta is even still relevant is because he's too popular to drop as a main character.

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