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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#9551: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:26:34 PM

Well, see, now we have to kill you.

Talk about bad fan redesigns...

edited 13th Dec '14 8:36:52 PM by SonOfSharknado

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#9552: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:42:14 PM

Here's a question, shouldn't Tien and Yamcha been able to bust out the Kaioken during the Android Saga considering they had previously been training under King Kai?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#9553: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:43:22 PM

Apparently they were taught fuck-all

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#9554: Dec 13th 2014 at 9:22:05 PM

[up][up]If they actually learned anything there, they would've.

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Raven666 I'd totally hug you if that was something I did from Everywhere and Nowhere. I'm watching you. Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#9555: Dec 13th 2014 at 9:34:51 PM

Not related to the current discussion.

Me and my Girlfriend just got done watching Battle of Gods for the first time and she wondered if it'd be possible to go SSG in Xenoverse. I doubt it but her idea was if there's six Ca C slots and one creates six Saiyans and if there's like levels or something level them up enough then you'd unlock the God transformation for one of your characters. I doubt that'd happen but she wanted to see if anyone else thought it'd be cool to go SSG with a custom character.

What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9556: Dec 13th 2014 at 9:51:19 PM

Technically speaking, there's no real reason why it should be impossible. I imagine the custom character will go the same way of pretty much every self insert ever and become all the good guys' best friend, and given that the game also provides access to Future Trunks, there's no reason why the Custom Character shouldn't be able to go God.

Certainly sounds like the kind of thing that you'd leave as DLC, though. Maybe as part of a downloadable side story or something.

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#9557: Dec 13th 2014 at 10:12:26 PM

@About the BS dragonballs discussion.

I can again imagine why he didn't use it himself...I mean how else would he get the last laugh. He worry about if his parent or family members looking for him end up staying looking for him until the planet explodes (or they came days before the explosion). I would think he would rather a human wish on it and destroy their planet (extra irony if the wish was for world peace or being king of the world). After all who do you think started the legend about seven magic balls that can grant your wish.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9558: Dec 13th 2014 at 10:18:59 PM

I see it as a "You stole from God!? Well, now your planet's gonna get blewed up and there's nothing you can do about it. So there."

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#9559: Dec 13th 2014 at 10:24:20 PM

He wasn't God yet...he couldn't have been if he still had his "evil" inside.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9560: Dec 13th 2014 at 10:57:31 PM

Also, Earth blowing up would be kind of bad for him. He doesn't know much about his spaceship or other planets.

edit: Super Saiyan God won't be possible for created Saiyan characters. There's no transformation skill for SSG in the game, it has to be a separate character for Goku.

edited 13th Dec '14 10:59:01 PM by Saiga

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#9561: Dec 13th 2014 at 11:32:30 PM

Seeing how no one came for him. You can see why his black star dragonballs plan didn't pan out.tongue

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#9562: Dec 14th 2014 at 7:34:59 PM

Here's a question, shouldn't Tien and Yamcha been able to bust out the Kaioken during the Android Saga considering they had previously been training under King Kai?

As noted, they apparently learned fuck-all from Kaio-sama.

The Kaioken would have done so little for them anyways. By the time the Android Saga came around, the humans were just too irrelevant, power-wise. Goku's master of the Kaioken only went up to x20, which would still leave the humans utterly humiliated by even Frieza's First Form.

The only human with a power level high enough to make anything of it - Krillin - didn't train under Kaio-sama, and even if he had AND mastered it as hard as Goku did, the best he could manage with a x20 Kaioken is 1,500,000, only half of Goku's base power during his fight with Frieza. Now let's go even further and give Krillin Super Saiyan 3! Defying the very laws of the universe, Krillin has managed to achieve a power level of 30,000,000, able to fight evenly with Frieza himself...at 25% power.

Well, Super Saiyan 3's not good enough. What's the most broken, unbeatable thing in the series? Of course! FUSION! Using the Potara Earrings, Krillin and Tien have fused into a might, nigh unstoppable warrior. Tilin's immense power level has risen to 137,250,000 - so powerful is he, that even Frieza's Full Power can't match him. Of course, he's still irrelevant compared to the Super Saiyans and the Androids that humiliate them.

And keep in mind that Krillin is the strongest of the group by an entire order of magnitude. Against the power levels of the Android Saga, Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin are hilariously outmatched no matter what you give them.

edited 14th Dec '14 7:45:40 PM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9563: Dec 14th 2014 at 7:54:53 PM

We've already gone over the fact that Toriyama never should have upped things so far with Frieza.

Hell, I think even the Androids wouldn't have been so crazy if not for Frieza being so damned broken, that Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo had to become pretty damned broken themselves to come close to him (and only Goku pulled off being stronger).

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#9564: Dec 14th 2014 at 8:21:10 PM

Krillin is the strongest of the group by an entire order of magnitude
Hey guys, I'm beginning to genuinely wonder if people here tend to believe Yamcha and Tien would still lose to Nappa after training with North Kai. And if not, what is their limit, Dodoria maybe? I'm thinking the attack that pushed Cell back might make a trickle of blood run down Dodoria's face, that is if Dodoria doesn't speedblitz.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9565: Dec 14th 2014 at 8:47:21 PM

Eh. I tend to assume the humans do grow a whole lot stronger, it's just that despite that they're still so far behind as to remain irrelevant. At least, up until the Buu saga. By then, just about everyone but Tien and Chiaotzu had practically given up.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9566: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:16:33 AM

It's hard to evaluate them post-Kaio, because they don't show any improvements whatsoever. I've seen a good argument for why they wouldn't reach Dodoria/Zarbon's level (as fighters of that level are apparently extremely rare and were that strong due to mutation instead of training) but I could see them surpassing Jheese/Recoome/Butta by the Cell/Boo arcs.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#9567: Dec 15th 2014 at 2:49:15 AM

I have no problem with them going into the millions even. But to surpass Freeza Krilin would have to increase his power level 1600 times and that's insane jump. And of course Goku would have to increase his power at least that much since Goku always increased his power faster than Krilin. This would leave Goku with base power of at least 4,8 billion and that's really kind of insane.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9568: Dec 15th 2014 at 2:57:34 AM

The millions is too much for me, it only seems like it wouldn't be that big an increase because the Saiyans/Piccolo got bigger. But it's still quite ridiculous.

I mean following your logic, the Saiyans would be around 6 billion in base if Yamcha/Ten made it to 3 million.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9569: Dec 15th 2014 at 8:13:45 AM

Powerlevels are bullshit anyway.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9570: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:26:06 PM

No, they're not. Just some of the power ups.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9571: Dec 15th 2014 at 1:56:57 PM

Actually, Saiga has helped me realize that Power Levels are not bullshit.

They may be frustrating in that they got so high that other characters were tossed right under the buss, but they still have their place.

The problem is that Frieza caused a inflation of power that left other characters completely incapable of catching up.

If Toriyama had scaled things back a little, or considered what would happen if enemies got so strong that only a handful could actually deal with them, maybe things wouldn't have been so bad.

Or maybe even have more enemies with powers outside of pure power (like Boo and his absorption abilities).

I think he likely should have not given Frieza so many transformations. I don't know what it was in his second form, but maybe he should have scaled it back a bit, and made whatever level that was the power of his final form.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9572: Dec 15th 2014 at 4:49:19 PM

The numbers themselves are ultimately meaningless anyway. Sure, you can make them make sense, but it takes a lot of effort and is generally not worth it.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9573: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:21:13 PM

I think we're about to argue about the significance of an internet meme.

We could Take a Third Option, try to force a middle ground by looking at power levels the same way we do character tiers in Super Smash Bros.

But I think watching Saiga, IANCE, and possibly Rob butt heads over this would be much more entertaining and fluid.

edited 15th Dec '14 5:29:31 PM by FOFD

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9574: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:59:52 PM

I'll get the popcorn, the drinks, and the lawn chairs!

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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#9575: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:19:48 PM

As Saiga noted, the power-ups are bullshit - especially Zenkai and any type of Fusion, Namekian or otherwise - but the numbers themselves make perfect sense. What's confusing about them?

edited 15th Dec '14 6:20:00 PM by TobiasDrake

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