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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#9526: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:08:56 PM

Really...all Vegeta wants is to have a satisfying fight with Goku, so he can stop thinking about it and move on.

He doesn't care about the outcome of the fight, as long as he actually gets to have the fight. No holding back, nothing stopping them from going all out.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#9527: Dec 13th 2014 at 2:57:56 PM

[up]I'd contest that Vegeta would most definitely care about the result. Vegeta wants to have a no holds barred fight with Goku and win just to prove he can. That's why he was so upset about Goku holding back during the Buu Saga; Vegeta died thinking he had finally reached even ground with Goku only to find out Goku was just humoring him.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#9528: Dec 13th 2014 at 3:18:20 PM

As long as they're both giving it their all im the fight, the outcome is irrelevant.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9529: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:04:23 PM

Piccolo's death in GT was insanely stupid. Just kill Ultimate Shenron, or destroy the balls (they aren't actually indestructibility).

IIRC, Baby used the balls to wish for a new Planet Tuffle, and they scattered across the universe again. They nearly ran the clock getting them all back the first time.

Which I suppose was also the reason they didn't wish Goku back into his adult form.

...still not sure why someone would create a device that blows up the planet it was used on. I mean, maybe if that was a failsafe for the regular balls to ensure the evil dictator can't wish for immortality and then double immorality, maybe, but still, awful concept, Kami.

edited 13th Dec '14 4:13:42 PM by FOFD

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9530: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:21:21 PM

I had forgotten that it was still the first wish that made it blow up, so it would blow up in another year if they hadn't gathered them again. My bad.

It still seems kind of shitty on the character's part that they'd never bother to get them back and just leave Piccolo dead so the problem is taken care of.

[up] Yeah, that was a little irresponsible. I'd say that maybe that part wasn't intentional, but we know the scatter feature was, and also that they can modify their Dragon Balls after creation anyway. So what the hell, God. You suck at your job.

edited 13th Dec '14 4:22:33 PM by Saiga

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9531: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:23:50 PM

he still had his jerk side attached,right?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9532: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:25:58 PM

Right, but it still completely goes against his MO for creating Dragon Balls (to give hope). Or any sort of reason.

It'd work better if the creators of the Dragon Balls had far less control over the process than the manga spells out.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9533: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:30:02 PM

I always assumed that it was the creation of these balls that made him aware of his evil side.

It's said he made them back before the split right? So he makes the balls to inspire hope, only to find out they destroy whatever world they are used on, and realizes Oh-oh! I got some evil in me!

Now, as to why didn't fix the problem after purging King Piccolo from his body is a damned good question that can only be answered by FUCK GT!!!!! That's why!

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9534: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:37:47 PM

might have to do with the whole "negative Karma" thing.

see if they spam those now! tongue

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9535: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:41:32 PM

[up][up] Again, that doesn't make sense, unless you think his evil was like a split personality that took over at the last minute or something. They consciously choose the effects of the Dragon Balls within limitations.

edited 13th Dec '14 4:41:38 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9536: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:47:22 PM

Not if it was unconsciously influencing him. As in the evil inside him caused a side effect of destroying the earth when he created the balls that he didn't realize was there until after he made them (how he would do this without letting people use them first, I don't know, but how did Pilaf even know the fucking things existed in the first place).

I mean, when someone makes something, there can be a glitch or defect they didn't intend. Lets just say that in this case, Kami's own hidden evil nature screwed up his original intentions.

Search your feelings Saiga. You know I'm right.cool

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9537: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:50:38 PM

The Dragon Balls were simply never hinted at working like that. The don't gain side effects for no reason, and it's outright said that the Earth blows up effect was a trade off for their power.

edited 13th Dec '14 4:51:17 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9538: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:51:57 PM

Well GT as a whole was stupid anyway.

I'm not gonna defend it, so we'll call this one me winning by default A TIE.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#9539: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:57:57 PM

Grmfl.

Well you know what, still better then Dragonball Evolution. Let's hate on that.

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#9540: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:01:31 PM

Dragonball Evolution 2: paint Tyler Mane pink, add a baby-bottle-outline flat prosthetic to his head, and call him Majin Buu the Destructor (since we're skipping to each part's final villain). Nappa can be his bumbling, fat sidekick who casts spells.

At the end, Goku defeats him by going Super Saiyan, which makes him grow to 25 feet tall. The word "Saiyan" is used in no other context in the film.

edited 13th Dec '14 5:07:27 PM by DoctorDiabolical

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9541: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:02:09 PM

I'm not gonna waste my time hating on that shit.

That would require me to acknowledge it's existence, and that in and of itself is problematic to be honest.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9542: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:22:28 PM

Is it wrong that I actually own the DVD copy?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9544: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:34:04 PM

Evolution.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#9545: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:39:22 PM

eh.it's your money.use it as you like.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9546: Dec 13th 2014 at 5:48:19 PM

I think I got it for Christmas though around the time the DVD came out.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#9547: Dec 13th 2014 at 7:14:01 PM

I pretty sure Kami did it on purposely. I mean Kami only became evil from living on Earth and he always thought that someone was coming for him when he was young. I can imagine made making wish granting balls that destroys the planet I'm on that I hate anyway.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9548: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:10:55 PM

Maybe the BS Dragonballs were created as a final fuck you to whoever would sneak in to steal them.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#9549: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:17:00 PM

Considering he separated himself from the evil within him and then hid them away......

No wait. It's entirely possible he did create them on purpose in the early days before he split out of anger....

Except that he didn't use them himself to go back home....

Except that if he could go back home, he'd have done it himself, and the dragon can't grant a wish that exceed the power of his creator....

......Fuck it. Let's all just say GT is stupid, and Evolution is actually a de-evolution and leave it at that.

.....And Frieza should stay dead.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#9550: Dec 13th 2014 at 8:25:39 PM

But I kind of liked Evolution.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

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