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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9501: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:37:29 PM

Yes. Dragon Ball and its characters have never seen power unlocking as cheap, since it's their power being drawn out by the other party. Goku, Gohan and Kuririn have all done it without complaints and nothing suggests Vegeta has a problem with it. In fact when Goku calls him out on it the only problem Vegeta has is being Babidi's ally.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9502: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:13:45 PM

Unlocking power that's already there is one thing... but how can Vegeta be certain that the power was his?

Like I said, it only takes one person to cast doubts into it.

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#9503: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:16:37 PM

You're suggesting Vegeta cares much what about other people think.

edited 11th Dec '14 9:16:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9504: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:20:40 PM

Where did I suggest anything like that?

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#9505: Dec 11th 2014 at 10:57:14 PM

So did Spopovich always have the power to survive having his neck broken, he just needed it unlocked?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9506: Dec 12th 2014 at 7:19:22 AM

Spopovich's (and the rest of Babidi's minions) just plain display abilities inconsistent with what Majin Vegeta has. For example none of Bab's other minions can have their ki sensed, but Vegeta can. He just had his power drawn out (as Babs said) and never seemed to get the other weird stuff.

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#9507: Dec 12th 2014 at 7:44:12 AM

Does Vegeta know that it's just his power? Can he be absolutely, 100% sure it's all his power?

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#9508: Dec 12th 2014 at 9:19:00 AM

Does he care enough to fret over it?

I'm not clear on where you're getting the impression that Vegeta is morally opposed to cheating. He didn't seem too perturbed by the prospect of using the Dragon Balls to gain immortality.

He is what the Magic The Gathering community calls a Spike. It's not about innovation or personal development; just the rush he gets from knowing he won and you lost.

edited 12th Dec '14 9:20:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9509: Dec 12th 2014 at 10:22:53 AM

It's never really clear what boost the Majin power up really gives for Vegeta, it's implied he was always able to go SSJ 2 unless he couldn't and that's what the Majin power up did for him.

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#9511: Dec 12th 2014 at 12:30:57 PM

I'm assuming that Vegeta will eventually begin to wonder whether it really counts as a victory for him or not, and if it even proves anything.

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#9512: Dec 12th 2014 at 12:33:14 PM

And you're still ascribing a lot more self-introspection for Vegeta than the story has ever suggested.

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#9513: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:02:50 PM

Perhaps I am. Perhaps I just like to think that the characters aren't just the surface.

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#9514: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:10:47 PM

There is an important distinction between a deep analysis of a character, and inventing traits that have never been remotely hinted at.

When his back's against a wall, Vegeta cheats. The act of winning itself is more important to him than doing it fairly. He spent his entire career abusing and trying to abuse shortcuts - the Oozaru against Goku, immortality and becoming a Super Saiyan against Frieza, and finally Majin Vegeta. The Potara actually stands out as the one time Vegeta refused an opportunity for a free power boost.

edited 12th Dec '14 1:13:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#9515: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:12:03 PM

So, how powerful would a Potara fusion between Goku and Asura be?

Four words, Gosura the Destructor God.

edited 12th Dec '14 2:14:34 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#9516: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:13:45 PM

'Cheating', as you put it, would defeat the point of his rivalry with Goku. Sooner or later, Vegeta will begin wondering whether he won at all.

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#9517: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:45:07 PM

It's never really clear what boost the Majin power up really gives for Vegeta, it's implied he was always able to go SSJ 2 unless he couldn't and that's what the Majin power up did for him.

No, it's made clear that Super Saiyan 2 was a separate thing. We're told what the boost was by Babidi - just another hidden power unlocking.

[up] Once again, you're just inventing a trait that isn't there. As Tobias said, Vegeta has never shown giving a fuck how he won something. There's simply no reason to think that Vegeta cares about cheating, or would doubt himself at any point.

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#9518: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:44:04 PM

You're just refusing to look beyond the surface.

This isn't the same thing as any of Vegeta's other objectives. Getting rid of Freeza, avenging his Race, maybe becoming galactic emperor himself on the way - none of those would be rendered meaningless if he 'cheated' to do them. But proving himself superior to Goku?

That would be rendered meaningless by cheating.

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#9519: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:46:50 PM

Not to everyone it wouldn't, that's what you need to understand - being willing to cheat can be seen as proving your superiority, if that is what ultimately makes you the victor. Vegeta's shown absolutely no signs that he'd see that as rendering his victory meaningless, and he's never shown any concerns about honour. Hell, he's noted as being particularly honourless as far as Saiyans go, and takes until the Pure Boo fight to even understand Goku's honour.

He most likely does not give any fucks about the possibility that Babidi's help was cheating.

edited 12th Dec '14 4:48:00 PM by Saiga

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#9520: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:48:49 PM

[up][up]Not really proving himself superior, but just seeing how he stacks up in comparison.

edited 12th Dec '14 4:49:07 PM by randomness4

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#9521: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:56:44 PM

I doubt he'd be satisfied with that, though.

Not saying he wouldn't be willing to do it, hell, he does it. What I'm saying is that I don't think he'd be satisfied afterwards. Oh, yeah, he'd be happy for a while, but eventually beating Goku with outside help just wouldn't be enough.

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#9522: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:02:07 PM

Really doesn't sound like Vegeta at all. He hasn't spared a single thought for anybody else he's ever beaten or surpassed - he just moves on. Goku he's been more fixated with than most - but even then, he had more of a grudge against Freeza and he's never shown caring about Freeza after the Namek arc.

And he didn't even beat Freeza.

edited 12th Dec '14 5:02:19 PM by Saiga

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#9523: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:04:30 PM

The thing with Freeza is completely different. While both are personal grudges, they're of entirely different natures.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9524: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:06:43 PM

Not entirely different - Vegeta still wanted to prove himself stronger than Freeza. It's really not something exclusive to his rivalry with Goku, Vegeta wants to be better than everyone he sees.

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#9525: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:07:12 PM

I think ultimately he was just happy that his race had been avenged, hence his not really caring anymore about Frieza.

He wanted him to die at the hands of Saiyan and though it took a bit longer than he thought (and didn't happen with the dude he thought it would be) that did eventually come to pass.

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