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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9376: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:40:47 PM

Yeah, yeah, but who's gonna listen to me when I say characters should have a limited pool of ki to draw from?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9377: Dec 1st 2014 at 8:37:20 PM

Note, BOZ is made by Artdink, not Spike Chunsoft.

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#9379: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:24:43 AM

So did Vegeta. The tags' assertion that Vegeta would be all frustrated because even Yamcha beat Goku once but Vegeta never has misses the point that Vegeta DID beat Goku - and did so while Goku was at the top of his game, unlike Yamcha whose victory was brought on by Goku's starvation.

Yamcha won a fight against a starving Goku, while Vegeta won a fight against a Goku in full health who could raise his power level to 400%. Vegeta's frustration wasn't about never having beaten Goku; it was about trying to catch back up after Goku miraculously skyrocketed past him on Namek.

Vegeta eventually lost on Earth to the combined efforts of Gohan, Krillin, and a little bit Yajirobe picking up the fight where Goku dropped it - literally in Krillin's case, picking up the Spirit Bomb from Goku directly - but simplifying that as "Goku beat Vegeta" is like saying that Tien beat Nappa because by the time the arc was over, Nappa was defeated, and Tien contributed to that.

edited 2nd Dec '14 7:28:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#9380: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:46:51 AM

Goku's actually never defeated Vegeta. As far as their 1-on-1 fights go, Vegeta's 2-0.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#9381: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:07:15 AM

That's the surprising part.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9382: Dec 2nd 2014 at 6:32:27 PM

Also, Yamcha never beat Goku. Actually look at the fight and you'll find nothing but the a-grade Insane Troll Logic could support that claim. Yamcha knocked Goku away, Goku did the exact same to him. Then Yamcha ran away. Best you can argue it's a draw for Yamcha, being more honest Bulma won.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9383: Dec 2nd 2014 at 6:40:46 PM

Didn't Yamcha hit Goku with the Wolf Fang Fist to not much effect then?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9384: Dec 2nd 2014 at 6:42:50 PM

The WFF was what knocked Goku back.

his best technique, and Goku replicated the feat without it. While hungry.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9385: Dec 2nd 2014 at 6:52:56 PM

...is Yamcha Speedwagon's brother or something?

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9386: Dec 2nd 2014 at 6:54:34 PM

Even Speedwagon gets more respect.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9387: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:00:48 PM

Do remember he stays single his entire life.

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theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9388: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:01:41 PM

I'm sure Mountain Tim was happy with that life.

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#9389: Dec 3rd 2014 at 4:09:56 PM

Even Speedwagon was helpful when he wasn't able to fight. He actually contributed a whole lot to the rest of the Joestar family even decades after his death. That's more than you can say from most sidekick characters that can't manage to keep up in power with the protagonists.

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#9390: Dec 3rd 2014 at 4:15:55 PM

I have to ask because this is making it confusing to follow the conversation, is everyone referring to REO Speedwagon?

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#9391: Dec 3rd 2014 at 4:36:46 PM

Speedwagon from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, which has a lot of characters named after bands/musicians.

Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#9392: Dec 3rd 2014 at 4:37:22 PM

Robert E.O. Speedwagon, actually.

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edited 3rd Dec '14 4:37:32 PM by Crinias

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#9393: Dec 3rd 2014 at 4:42:48 PM

Goku's actually never defeated Vegeta. As far as their 1-on-1 fights go, Vegeta's 2-0.

Nope.

Goku blasted Vegeta nearly in space in the first confrontation, then Vegeta had to resort to creating his own moon so that he could transform in a Great Ape and preceded to dominate Goku. But he didn't defeat him. Even when Goku's legs were crushed and he couldn't move anywhere, he could still blind Vegeta in one of his eyes while he was in his Great Ape form. But, to far, after Goku shredded his body overusing the Kaioken and failing to use the Spirit Bomb

And in round two, the fight postponed due to Majin Buu awakening and the fight was declared a draw.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#9394: Dec 3rd 2014 at 5:03:35 PM

Without outside interference, though, Vegeta would've defeated Goku, so they're technically 1-0 in Vegeta's favor.

The other was never finished, but Goku could've won that fight at any time by going SSJ 3 (though it would've probably woken up Buu instantly).

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#9395: Dec 3rd 2014 at 5:32:17 PM

[up][up]Dude. Dude. Goku lost the first fight. That bit where he shoots out one of Vegeta's eyes was a "going away present" because he knew he was done for.

And as for the fight in the Buu Arc, Vegeta was the one that left that confrontation standing.

The point of this being brought up in the first place was Vegeta has technical wins over Goku, but he doesn't care about those.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9396: Dec 3rd 2014 at 5:59:14 PM

Oh, Vegeta's fully aware that he won one of those fights legitimately. He's pissed because he got cheated out of a victory he had in the bag, but what truly drives him mad is noticing how much faster than him Goku grows.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9397: Dec 3rd 2014 at 6:08:29 PM

Yeah.

Hell, both Roshi and Tenshihan beat Goku on technicalities as well (well Roshi's is probably the most legitimate win of the three), but they went through the same thing.

Goku is funny in that way. He's the one who lost, but he doesn't care, but also becomes stronger than the guys who he lost to.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9398: Dec 3rd 2014 at 6:18:29 PM

Goku outright admitted defeat to Vegeta after his last attack. The Gohan, Kuririn and most importantly Yajirobe saved him.

I wouldn't count their second fight since they agreed to set it aside.

[up] Only Ten's victory was technical, Roshi and Vegeta completely won. And Ten's victory was hilariously hollow, he himself said he didn't really win.

edited 3rd Dec '14 6:21:02 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9399: Dec 3rd 2014 at 6:53:51 PM

Oh right then. Vegeta's counts.

I think the real problem for Vegeta is that a guy he quite literally stomped suddenly became the legendary warrior of their race.

I mean, he says it enough time. Low class commoner vs the MOTHER FUCKING PRINCE OF ALL SAIYANS!!!! And yet, who becomes a super saiyan and who gets left in the dust.

Goku surpassing the people he loses too (legitimately or not) is a thing really.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#9400: Dec 3rd 2014 at 6:56:54 PM

Which means it's not long before Beerus will get the same treatment.


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