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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9351: Nov 30th 2014 at 5:12:01 PM

Metal-Cooler has him in the equivalent to Freeza's original form... it might be that the transformation is something external and/or unique to Cooler.

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#9352: Nov 30th 2014 at 5:37:45 PM

[up][up]Everyone in the Ginyu Force was a mutant. Frieza and his father are also mutants.

YET SOMEHOW CHILLED LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THEM

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#9353: Nov 30th 2014 at 5:42:52 PM

Mutant what is the question.

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#9354: Nov 30th 2014 at 6:28:04 PM

Cooler's form could have worked if some effort was put into justifying it. Freeza created his forms, so Cooler could have created something that works differently if any effort was put into it.

Given the fact that he never uses the 100% bulky form Freeza does, that form could have been created as a way for Cooler to use his full power more efficiently. Then with the increased efficiency he was able to surpass Freeza through training.

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#9355: Nov 30th 2014 at 6:30:37 PM

That makes sense.

Alternatively, he was like Frieza, and using a weaker form, and the form he takes on for the final Dumb ass tree planting is his own true form, that's distinct from Frieza's.

Nobody said all their true forms had to look identical now did they?

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#9356: Nov 30th 2014 at 6:38:15 PM

[up][up] Saiga, you should be writing the movies. That makes perfect sense.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9357: Nov 30th 2014 at 7:00:56 PM

Fanfic usually has Cooler creating the form himself, because he is weaker than Freeza and needs it to catch up.

And since the movies are glorified fanfic...

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#9358: Nov 30th 2014 at 7:15:29 PM

It being Cooler's better version of the 100% Full Power form makes more sense, because if they can just create forms that are immensely more powerful than their base, there's no reason not to just keep doing that.

Giving the character the ability to create his own multipliers is effectively a power level of Infinity.

edited 30th Nov '14 7:16:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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#9359: Nov 30th 2014 at 7:47:29 PM

[up](x5)

So... a biological mutation?

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#9360: Nov 30th 2014 at 7:49:31 PM

IIRC the whole "mutant" comment was less about physical mutations and more the Frieza family just having absurdly high power levels.

So they're still mutants, but they still looks like the rest of the race.

edited 30th Nov '14 7:50:45 PM by Spirit

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#9361: Nov 30th 2014 at 8:05:01 PM

How old is Frieza again, because part of me think he's in his 70s or something.

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#9362: Nov 30th 2014 at 10:39:34 PM

Cooler's form could have worked if some effort was put into justifying it. Freeza created his forms, so Cooler could have created something that works differently if any effort was put into it.

Given the fact that he never uses the 100% bulky form Freeza does, that form could have been created as a way for Cooler to use his full power more efficiently. Then with the increased efficiency he was able to surpass Freeza through training.

Dammit, why couldn't they have given this much thought to it? 'Cause I like Shredder-Cooler.

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#9363: Nov 30th 2014 at 10:41:21 PM

Tonight, I dine on monkey soup.

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#9364: Nov 30th 2014 at 10:46:08 PM

Saiyans being monkeys is one of the better running gags in that show. grin

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#9365: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:37:22 AM

I was making a Shredder joke though.

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#9366: Dec 1st 2014 at 7:37:13 AM

I thought you were quoting Abridged.

They made that joke verbatim in their take on the Cooler movie.

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#9367: Dec 1st 2014 at 7:59:33 AM

I never saw that though.

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#9368: Dec 1st 2014 at 8:03:24 AM

Look, Cooler may be a nerd and Frieza may be cooler, but I think we can all agree Cooler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Broly.

I'd rather Cooler having a bajillion forms since at least they look cool and aren't just muscles on muscles like the bajillion transformations they keep giving Broly. Does anyone even like Broly? Why the hell do they keep putting him in everything, goddammit?

I swear this post didn't start as a Broly mini-rant.

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#9369: Dec 1st 2014 at 8:12:12 AM

A lot of people like Broly, which is the answer to the second question as well. The fact that you even feel the need to establish your favorite movie villain above him is evidence of that, in and of itself; nobody's really clamoring over whether Cooler is a better villain than Lord Slug.

Wolverine Publicity wouldn't be a thing if Wolverine was unpopular.

Broly is popular because he appeals to the 90's sense of HARDCORE - which was popular at the time and is coming back into style - while simultaneously resolving a huge plot hole that doesn't actually exist, but that casual Dragon Ball fans love to poke fun at anyway.

edited 1st Dec '14 8:16:14 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9370: Dec 1st 2014 at 8:23:09 AM

Cooler is by no means my favorite movie villain: that honor belongs to Beerus. I just accept Cooler because he was in a better movie, had a backstory that made some sense and is an actual character, as opposed to a walking bulk of muscle and screams.

Nobody loves 90s edge more than me, but Broly is just fuggen awful. When my friends and I were kids, in fact, we made fun of how dumb Broly was. Maybe Broly fans just aren't vocal enough, but I've literally never encountered one (that actually likes the character instead of liking to make fun of him), and this is the internet, where even Birdemic has fans.


Uh, I apologize, thread. I just really hate Broly.

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#9371: Dec 1st 2014 at 1:44:24 PM

Beerus is definitely my favorite movie villain...

Because he made Battle of Z a joke once I unlocked him.

He's overpowered as shit. Seriously, all I did when playing as him was to set everyone else on support (three copies of 18, of course) while I spammed the left trigger until everything was dead. Even Vegetto dealt shit for damage to Beerus, and I didn't even have an optimal card loadout.

Seriously, why is he stronger than Whis!?

edited 1st Dec '14 6:08:54 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#9372: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:13:51 PM

Wait, wait.

Why were you playing Battle of Z? lol

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#9373: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:30:37 PM

Because it's actually surprisingly entertaining and I had an X Box as well as a copy handy?

I have a friend's 360 since he went abroad, and he had a copy of Battle of Z, which I've been playing for a while. While the game has ginormous problems... as in, seriously, who the hell makes a DBZ fighting game not for a handheld without local multiplayer!?... it's still fun. The battle system is extremely simplistic, it's nonsensical that you've got to charge up your ki by hitting stuff, pulling off the ultimates is a pain in the ass, a lot of characters who should have ultimates don't, inexplicably, the partner AI is stupid beyond measure and you can't play solo to make up for the difference, the missions can be incredibly ass...

It's not horrible. It's definitely not a great game, but it's... okay.

Point is, the game is enjoyable. It's clearly a movie tie in game, though, and it shows a lot. I would kill for a DBZ Fighter that plays like Budokai Tenkaichi for the PS 3, though.

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#9374: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:33:41 PM

Dragonball Xenoverse seems to be that, though it's made by DIMPS instead of Spike Chunsoft.

edited 1st Dec '14 6:34:09 PM by DemonGodOfChaos2

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#9375: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:38:28 PM

I don't think hitting to charge ki is any less silly than ki charging normally is in the games - both of them have nothing to do with how ki works in the show (except for Budokai's stat buffs).


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