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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9151: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:26:44 AM

It doesn't imply anything like that. Yes he laughed but that is not grounds to say "Yamcha didn't cheat". In the same interview many jokes were made about how irrelevant Yamcha became, just because they were jokes didn't change that they were all true.

There is absolutely no reason to think anything other than that he cheated. You've got two sources that say he did and nothing that suggests these are wrong.

Saying Bulma must have told Trunks and that she'd be biased means nothing because nothing in the story suggests this might be the case.

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#9152: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:28:09 AM

Are we in Egypt? Because I can see the Nile in here.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#9153: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:32:32 AM

"what the actual fuck, that's disgusting."

Bulma is a disgusting character. She hit on two psychopaths because they looked attractive. She has always been portrayed as the pinnacle of shallowness.

Yamcha could do better. How? By being alone. I really hate the "he never got with anyone so he's a loser" bullshit. It's the same mindset that made Kishimoto pair everyone up at the end of Naruto. Same for Rowling and Harry Potter.

Some people just live their life without ever marrying or having kids. Good for them.

edited 23rd Nov '14 2:33:23 AM by Nikkolas

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#9154: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:39:44 AM

When they realize their life would go smooth sailing without being in a relationship.

They just stop trying.

edited 23rd Nov '14 2:42:20 AM by randomness4

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9155: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:39:56 AM

Bulma's a terrible person for sure but that doesn't really justify using slurs against women. Not even remotely.

edit: no wait, she's only a terrible person originally. She develops and mellows out big time by the Boo arc.

Also the reason Yamcha is mocked for being alone is because it's not by choice, going by Toriyama's interviews he spends the rest of his life searching in vain.

edited 23rd Nov '14 2:42:26 AM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#9156: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:43:59 AM

...and apparently Yamcha didn't stop trying anyway.

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#9157: Nov 23rd 2014 at 2:57:07 AM

Oh, Yamcha is alone by choice.

Just not his choice.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9158: Nov 23rd 2014 at 4:04:23 AM

Yamcha is a god damn catch; better boyfriend material than really, most of the people in this thread

I'm a woman.

Bulma's a terrible person for sure but that doesn't really justify using slurs against women. Not even remotely.

Yes. That.

Who Bulma wants to sleep with is her business.

It's certainly not as big a deal as all the instances of attempted murder.

edited 23rd Nov '14 4:08:07 AM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9159: Nov 23rd 2014 at 6:37:09 AM

I've always been of the mind that Bulma is a terrible person, which makes her arguably a better character than if she were a goody two shoes.

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#9160: Nov 23rd 2014 at 7:27:31 AM

She's a terrible person who became slightly less terrible over time...as she grew up and then got married.

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#9161: Nov 23rd 2014 at 8:41:53 AM

The more I see people debating who is and is not a terrible person, the more apparent it becomes to me that the Dragon Ball fandom is very much like the Ranma 1/2 fandom: every single character is an awful human being in some way or another, but some fans empathize with this or that character so much that they will defend to the death that it's everyone ELSE who is terrible and THEIR character was really a noble soul mistreated by circumstance all along.

Yamcha is a terrible person, Bulma is a terrible person, Vegeta is a terrible person, everyone in this triangle is terrible. Nobody is the "victim" here. I will never understand the boundless loyalty Yamcha has somehow managed to inspire in some fans.

edited 23rd Nov '14 8:45:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9162: Nov 23rd 2014 at 9:22:36 AM

What about Gohan? Gohan's not terrible.

Well, lazy, maybe.

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#9163: Nov 23rd 2014 at 9:45:24 AM

Gohan's not lazy, he just became suddenly uninterested in fighting out of nowhere after his fight with Cell began, and maintained that disinterest for the next seven years.

IIRC, he still worked really hard, he just worked hard to become a responsible and productive member of society, rather than a martial arts junkie like his father and friends.

edited 23rd Nov '14 9:49:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9164: Nov 23rd 2014 at 9:48:40 AM

It's especially hard to find characters the fanbase likes, since IIRC a large portion of the fanbase will start to dislike many characters just because they're "weak" compared to the characters coming several arc later tongue.

I don't think much of anyone hates Android 16! I think that's something...

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#9165: Nov 23rd 2014 at 9:58:20 AM

I've never, and will never, see the logic in whitewashing characters. I like Vegeta because he's an evil scumbag that becomes a decent dude. It's much more interesting than "HE WAS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD!"

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#9166: Nov 23rd 2014 at 10:53:54 AM

[up] Similarly, I like Bulma because she so imperfect. She's ludicrously smart but also whiny, selfish and vain. Why do you think she has dozens of different hair style through the course of the show?

But Character Development kicks in and she mellows out... somewhat.

Bulma in a nutshell is an Insufferable Genius.

edited 23rd Nov '14 10:54:13 AM by FireShadow

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9167: Nov 23rd 2014 at 11:09:42 AM

The characters, except for Vegeta anyway, are not 'terrible people'.

They're imperfect human beings. They have flaws, they make mistakes, they do stupid things. They're people, and as people, sometimes screw up.

Yamcha is not a terrible person because he was unfaithful to Bulma. He's still a kind hearted guy who will gladly throw his life down in the defense of the World. Even when he was absolutely fucking terrified of the Androids, he still couldn't just sit back and let the others handle it. And I like that filler scene of him training in the other world after he died in the Buu saga. So he cheated on Bulma. So what? Everyone makes mistakes.

Bulma is not a terrible person because she can be selfish and whiny. She's just human, and you can't expect her to be a paragoon of goodness, selfless and understanding of everyone. Much less so considered she's got more money than Oil Tycoon Jesus. Bulma still works really hard to do things for the people she cares about, and is perfectly willing to support them in any way that she can do so.

Vegeta... is a terrible person. But in his defense, he is supposed to be. I once heard a rumor that Toriyama made Vegeta out of all the qualities that he'd hate on a person, and while I dunno if it's true or not, fact is that I can totally buy it. Vegeta is an asshole, and the story treats him as such. His character development is arguably the most noticeable and biggest in the entirety of what people usually refer to as 'Dragon Ball Z'. It's very slow and very gradual, but it's definitely there.

All three of those characters aren't one-dimensional caricatures who are just their flaws, and they shouldn't be treated as such... except Vegeta. He is supposed to be a terrible person all the way until he eventually learns to be a better guy.

@Tobias Drake

So Gohan just became suddenly uninterested in fighting out of nowhere after the Cell Games began, huh?

Gohan needed his 'hidden power' to win that fight, as far as he knew.

His 'hidden power' comes out in bursts of extreme rage. Not something he wants to experience. Therefore, he wanted to get Cell to back down early.

Gohan's actions are perfectly explainable if you assume that Gohan assumed he couldn't do anything against Cell without getting majorly pissed beforehand.

Nevermind that Gohan never really cared about fighting, the way his father or even the other martial artists do. For Gohan, it was always about accomplishing a particular objective. Survive in the wilderness. Save Earth from the Saiyans. Revive Piccolo. Save Earth from the Androids.

Nevermind that Gohan just went through the extremely traumatic experience of being directly to blame for the death of his father, which the man decided to make permanent, because he got too cocky and violent.

edited 23rd Nov '14 11:16:14 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#9168: Nov 23rd 2014 at 12:09:44 PM

Also, I would like to point out that Toriyama once said during an interview that the reason Yamcha is still single is because he is still shy and awkward around women, which kind of contradicts a lot of what was established with him during the series.

[up] I may not agree with you when it comes to Naruto, but dear God you have a way with words involving this series.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9169: Nov 23rd 2014 at 1:48:20 PM

In what way? Insecurity can actually be a cause for cheating, and Toriyama said he was too shy to work in a host club which is quite different.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9170: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:07:00 PM

Yamcha got over that shyness back in Dragon Ball though; hell, him getting over it was what led to breakup in the first place, which was said by Trunks himself.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9171: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:13:48 PM

It turns out that deep-seated psychological issues aren't things you just get over! They're things you struggle with for the rest of your life.

Just like insomnia. And being a killer robot lady.

edited 23rd Nov '14 3:14:08 PM by unnoun

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#9172: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:29:46 PM

Pft, this is shounen! The best way into a person's head is by cracking it open with your fist! That way all the issues can leak out.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9173: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:31:30 PM

Goku got started early.

He used a rock instead though.

edited 23rd Nov '14 3:31:52 PM by unnoun

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9174: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:33:46 PM

Also, can I just bring up that Toriyama said Vegeta was the better person, because he apparently actually loves his family whereas Goku only sees them like he sees everyone else, as his friends/comrades.

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#9175: Nov 23rd 2014 at 3:35:30 PM

Which, y'know, is pretty good for a character with brain damage.

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