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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9101: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:03:33 PM

...How do we know? The only sources that say that are GT-related and ahahaha.

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#9102: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:09:08 PM

And Toriyama saying that female saiyans can't turn Super Saiyan. Presumably because of their weak vaginas.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9103: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:10:41 PM

First, Dragon Ball Online, second, Xenoverse. And Heroes, when it comes to that.

EDIT: Also, when did Toriyama actually say that? Last I heard it was an issue of him getting stuck on character design, not declaring it an impossibility by fiat. I think you made that up.

EDIT: Also, Death of the Author.

edited 22nd Nov '14 3:16:06 PM by unnoun

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#9104: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:17:43 PM

He never said that about female super saiyans, I usually hear it paraphrased as he couldn't figure out how to draw them at the time. Early in the series, the man felt that he could only draw the same female face. (To his credit I can recognize at least 4 faces for female characters.)

edited 22nd Nov '14 3:18:04 PM by JDTcreates

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#9105: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:20:40 PM

I exaggerated the point based on Japanese societal trends and cultural norms.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9106: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:23:52 PM

...Fair enough on that, I guess, kinda. In that it's depressingly accurate.

Still think it's messed up.

Like, if Broly can get Super Saiyan 4 I feel like Bra and Pan should at least get the base Super Saiyan level. Like, that's the bare minimum of fairness.

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#9107: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:24:16 PM

There's a rumor going around that he couldn't figure out how to make them look not-stupid, which I've never bought.

'Cause, really, spiky DBZ hairdos don't distinguish between gender and look equally ridiculous regardless.

[up]To be fair, the female Saiyan heroine in DB Heroes can get SSJ. And I seem to recall soemthing about SSJ 3 being possible too.

edited 22nd Nov '14 3:25:11 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9108: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:42:11 PM

I think the main reason Toriyama forgets plot details is that he's learned how to repress his memories of the 80s.

Lucky bastard.

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#9109: Nov 22nd 2014 at 3:48:18 PM

Toriyama's never said anything about women Super Saiyan being difficult.

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#9110: Nov 22nd 2014 at 6:46:23 PM

Yeap, pure fanon. Just like 1/4 Saiyans being unable to transform (at least that one was based on an incorrect transformation.

The reason we don't see them in the manga is that female Saiyans only appear at the end of the series, and nobody transforms there. On top of that they're even younger than Goten/Trunks, who got so strong because they constantly fought each other.

GT doesn't really make sense since it featured Pan so prominently.

And then all we have is video games which still haven't given it to Pan but have shown female Super Saiyans quite a bit.

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#9111: Nov 22nd 2014 at 6:48:58 PM

...I'm pretty sure Saiyans have more durable bodies than humans of equivalent power levels. Like, Master Roshi's a lot stronger than Goku for a lot of Dragon Ball, but worried about fighting the Red Ribbon Army, and thought Goku died when Commander Black shot him.

Goku fought evenly with Kame'sennin as early as the 21st Budokai Tenkaichi, and that was the last time he was considered a physical threat. Kame'sennin was surpassed very early in the series.

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#9112: Nov 22nd 2014 at 6:57:43 PM

Hell in the early RRA arc, before going to Korin's, Kuririn comments that Goku is stronger than he was at the tournament. So he had already surpassed Roshi.

Roshi trained for the 22nd Budokai which is why he wasn't completely irrelevant there.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9113: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:13:53 PM

But Goku was shot in the head by Bulma when his power level was 10. That's about a fourteenth of what Roshi's would have been at the time.

Like, do we all just forget the time Bulma attempted to murder a child?

I mean, jesus, past Bulma, what the shit.

edited 22nd Nov '14 7:16:40 PM by unnoun

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#9114: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:31:54 PM

It occurs to me that I used to see a lot of you in the Naruto thread... o_o

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9115: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:33:51 PM

...You have got to be thinking of someone else.

Maybe the Kingdom Hearts thread?

Bulma and Vegeta are kinda perfect for each other.

Poor Oolong.

edited 22nd Nov '14 7:49:23 PM by unnoun

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#9116: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:55:26 PM

[up]

Oh god! That second one was beautiful.evil grin

And I personally think it's a miracle that any version of Trunks isn't a hot headed lunatic considering who his parents are.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9117: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:56:06 PM

[up] Gotenks.

Also, point already raised.

edited 22nd Nov '14 7:58:28 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9118: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:59:49 PM

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Fair enough, but when he not fused into a single body with his best friend, while somewhat of a brat, he's not as hot headed as his mom or dad.

Especially not as hot headed as his dad.

Though admittedly, I'm applying this more Future Trunks where we should consider ourselves lucky that he inherited nothing from his parents.....

Except maybe his dad Stubborness.tongue

Edit: yeah, that guy basically sums it up pretty well.

edited 22nd Nov '14 8:00:38 PM by HandsomeRob

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#9119: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:04:14 PM

I remember Budokai 3 had Uub's story mode where he ran into Oolong and noticed he was a pig who talked. And everyone in the studio in the "Behind the scream" feature laughed their asses off, because that was the first time anyone ever said anything about the talking animals in Dragonball.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9120: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:05:05 PM

he's not as hot headed as his mom or dad.

Especially not as hot headed as his dad.

Low bars to clear.

And Bulma has her moments where she's every bit as egotistical.

Like, the entire plot of Battle Of Gods because she wanted a birthday party.

The entire plot of the series because she wanted a boyfriend. She went out with a radar, a car, some other capsules, and a gun.

edited 22nd Nov '14 8:09:47 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9121: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:10:09 PM

Too bad she didn't take some common sense while she was at it.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9122: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:11:29 PM

She did however take "willingness to murder small children". So she had that.

EDIT: I mean, it's not a bad thing. I like Bulma. And Vegeta. They're hilariously terrible people.

edited 22nd Nov '14 8:12:44 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9123: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:13:30 PM

......

I'm gonna have to check exactly how that one went down before I comment or snark on that.

I shall return.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9124: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:13:55 PM

This was after she ran him over too.

All of Goku's friends have tried to kill him except maybe Krillin.

edited 22nd Nov '14 8:19:34 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9125: Nov 22nd 2014 at 8:21:35 PM

Ok. Read the manga version and watched the anime version on Youtube.

Her willingness to shoot a child (well ok, she's only three years older but still) is unnerving, but you'd be pulling out the firearms too if that so called kid just picked up your car and tossed it like a piece of fruit......

And now I'm just lying to myself. Bulma is a murderous lunatic......

Just like her husband.tongue

And yeah. Most of Goku's friends have tried to kill him at one point.

One of them succeeded.tongue

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