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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9076: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:01:02 PM

No he doesn't, he meditates as well. We see him meditate in the series, after losing to the Androids.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9077: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:17:49 PM

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That seemed more like raging over his loss and roaring in frustration than meditating.

Though his anger did push him to surpass Super Saiyan, so maybe for him, that is meditating.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9078: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:20:34 PM

There's also the part where they said he was meditating. In order to see past Super Saiyan and the forms beyond.

That probably makes it meditating.

edited 21st Nov '14 8:21:59 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9079: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:33:41 PM

Oh, you mean when Trunks was watching him just before Goku showed up to take them to the Hyperbolic time chamber / Room of time and spirit.

I guess, it's just that.....Vegeta doesn't really seem like the meditating type, especially at that point in the series.

I mean, I know this is an exaggeration, but.....

It is kinda what he did.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9080: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:56:46 PM

It is kind of anime only.

There's a lot of flanderization in extra material but he's not incapable of feeling things other than anger.

edited 21st Nov '14 8:57:29 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9081: Nov 21st 2014 at 8:58:42 PM

Do we actually see how Vegeta became a super saiyan in the manga?

I mean, I know he gives the pure evilexplanation, but do we get any kind of Flash back of the moment he crossed the thresh-hold?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9082: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:05:00 PM

Nope. He just says he trained himself to his limits, got angry at himself for that, and transformed into a Super Saiyan.

It's very similar to what the anime portrays but not anywhere near as dramatic.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9083: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:10:15 PM

I like the anime version then.

I think it covers the whole thing pretty well.

Well, ok, I don't so much like the anime version as I like the TFS version, cause that's fucking hilarious.tongue

And I guess it's true that Vegeta can do emotions beyond anger (His utter heartbreak and pleading to Goku to avenge the Saiyan race before his death being one such example).

He's just so well known for his rage.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9084: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:14:09 PM

You're assuming that my headcanon states that it's only possible for fusions and dead people to do. Technically, it's not, but it's so difficult it might as well just be called impossible and be done with it. Fusions get away with it because they have a ridiculously high base level to begin with.

I'm just trying to make sense of it, dood, and I don't see you giving any better explanations.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9085: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:18:25 PM

But again, the fact that dead Goku can do it, and the little difference between dead Goku and living Goku, still means the idea that it's too difficult really implausible.

I have no idea what you're trying to make sense of. There's nothing that needs further explanation. Unless you're talking about Vegeta.

Well, Goku got it before Vegeta because he was slightly stronger and stayed ahead of him. Ignoring the stuff after the manga, there's no reason to think Vegeta couldn't have done it after the Boo arc with more training. Battle of Gods and GT didn't give it to him, but video games have, and it all has the same validity to me.

edited 21st Nov '14 9:20:43 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#9086: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:36:44 PM

[up] Which is to say, none at all.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9087: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:38:31 PM

It has problems when the user is alive that it clearly didn't have when Goku was dead.

I'm trying to make sense of why it has those problems.

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#9088: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:45:35 PM

Energy consumption, moving on.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9089: Nov 21st 2014 at 9:50:03 PM

[up][up] It clearly had problems when Goku was dead as well, it's just not as bad because dead bodies don't need to eat (take in energy) or sleep (remove fatigue).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9090: Nov 21st 2014 at 10:01:53 PM

Yeah.

Remember, Goku burned up the bulk of his time on Earth going Super Saiyan 3. Since he was dead, this was obviously a substitute.

I actually wonder how aware he was of this, since I think that while he was surprised by how little time he had left, he wasn't surprised that he'd lost time using it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9091: Nov 21st 2014 at 10:14:18 PM

He wasn't surprised, and said that it'd have worked better in Otherworld since that has no concept of time.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9092: Nov 21st 2014 at 11:00:35 PM

Damn, I was lied to! sad

Well, Xenoverse still looks cool. I can't wait til it comes out. Any of ya wondering what characters you'll make? I'm thinking of making a Saiyan Joseph Joestar and a Majin Pinkie Pie.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9093: Nov 22nd 2014 at 6:07:28 AM

I was thinking about the resurrection of Spudz, son of Mr Popo and Goku and Piccolo, somehow.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9094: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:27:56 AM

Fusions only have tough bodies because they're strong.

...I'm pretty sure Saiyans have more durable bodies than humans of equivalent power levels. Like, Master Roshi's a lot stronger than Goku for a lot of Dragon Ball, but worried about fighting the Red Ribbon Army, and thought Goku died when Commander Black shot him.

I imagine that Humans can deflect bullets with ki auras. But if they don't, human meat is more fragile than Saiyan meat.

Also, if we say that Goku's power level of 2 as an infant counts, then as a Great Ape his power level would have been 20. I think Grandpa Gohan's power level was in the 100s. I think it was like 140. Like five to seven times stronger. But Great Apes are also really really heavy. So.

EDIT: Specifically for the Super Saiyan 3 stuff, I thought it was like how 100% Frieza put a strain on his body.

...Also, sorta wonder why nobody tried the Fully Powered Super Saiyan trick with the other levels. Just using it like a new base form.

Like, with the Ascended Super Saiyan, and/or Super Saiyan 2, working up to Super Saiyan 3.

edited 22nd Nov '14 7:51:19 AM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9095: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:48:17 AM

Maybe Goku has been doing that off screen.

It wouldn't surprise me. Especially if he still wants to use Super Saiyan 3.

I mean, he might encounter a Beers level enemy again someday (or one who while not as strong, is still pretty powerful) and when that happens, a fully mastered Super Saiyan 3 would be useful.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9096: Nov 22nd 2014 at 7:50:39 AM

I mean, I thought it was neat that Goku was seemingly able to sleep while Super Saiyan.

In the anime Krillin hit him with a rock. It was great.

Also, presumably it was how Goten was conceived so that's neat too.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#9097: Nov 22nd 2014 at 9:58:30 AM

I see Super Saiyan 3 as taking a good thing and pushing it past the point of usefulness. I don't think it's at all practical for a non-dead or non-fused character to use since it drains stamina so quickly. Sure, technically anyone could get to the point where it doesn't matter, but that seems like setting goals way too high to meet.

I'll create a mary sue Saiyan and I don't give a fuck. After DBZ Kinect failed to make me feel like a Saiyan and thus grant my childhood wishes, I deserve this.

edited 22nd Nov '14 10:00:39 AM by Cruherrx

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#9098: Nov 22nd 2014 at 10:04:19 AM

Isn't the character we create pretty much a Mary Sue by default?

After all, it's a personality-void puppet used mostly to fulfill its creator's desires.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9099: Nov 22nd 2014 at 2:57:11 PM

he's not incapable of feeling things other than anger

On which note.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#9100: Nov 22nd 2014 at 2:59:29 PM

Good thing she can't.

edited 22nd Nov '14 2:59:34 PM by SonOfSharknado

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