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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#8951: Nov 18th 2014 at 1:09:13 AM

Android/Cell saga was awesome although Cell's 2nd form suuuuuucked. But Namek/Frieza saga is when DBZ really got good. Like it was cool before but then it had become truly epic.

Honestly Frieza isn't my favorite villain and I liked Cell(except his 2nd form) + the androids more. The minicells were dumb though.

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#8952: Nov 18th 2014 at 1:20:06 AM

I noticed that Android arc suffers from a sort of Middle Child Syndrome. When people think of DBZ they think of either Freeza or Buu sagas with Android one as kind of afterthought. Im not sure if it's due to genuine problems with it, or Buu simply because it was in the middle of a very long haul.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#8953: Nov 18th 2014 at 1:29:18 AM

I wonder how powerful God Frieza is gonna be if it looks like Goku, Vegeta, Beers and Whis are gonna have to struggle.

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#8954: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:20:17 AM

Hearing Ryusei Nakao after so long since the bleach anime got canceled( he was Kurotsuchi, fittingly enough) will make me happy.

edited 18th Nov '14 3:20:32 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#8955: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:39:36 AM

Guys, Toriyama is writing this. Beliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieve!

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
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#8956: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:46:22 AM

Toryiama also contributed to Battle of Gods, and made sure to Ret-Canon it into Jaco and Dragonball Minus.

Make of that what you will.

edited 18th Nov '14 4:46:34 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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#8957: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:58:26 AM

Toriyama gonna Toriyama

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8958: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:08:33 AM

Yep.

It remains to be seen how many characters' existances Toriyama's forgotten this time.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#8959: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:24:05 AM

Toriyama isn't a particularly skilled writer, but he makes up for it in charm... when he's trying a shit and not going through the motions. Overall, he's far better suited to comedy.

@ FOFD: I've heard there's a video game where Krillin and #18 atomize Frieza with The Power of Love, which sounds either really awesome or really stupid.

Awesome. Definitely awesome. WANT.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#8960: Nov 18th 2014 at 11:14:33 AM

I think a filler or something mentioned Frieza actually getting stronger during his time in Hell, or him actually training or something.

So.

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#8961: Nov 18th 2014 at 11:52:26 AM

That was either when Pikkon was introduced or during GT.

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#8962: Nov 18th 2014 at 11:53:59 AM

Anything involving Pikkon always makes me roll my eyes. 'Cause the fucker lost to SSJ Goku, but before that, he handed Cell his ass on a platter.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Seriously, if Cell'd kept his body, he'd be ruling Hell within minutes of his death, since the only remotely threatening to him is Dabura, and Dabura should be with Babidi by that point.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#8963: Nov 18th 2014 at 12:01:43 PM

...I loved Dabura going to Heaven as a punishment and if you didn't you can bite me.

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#8964: Nov 18th 2014 at 12:02:18 PM

I've watched that fight recently and it not as bad as I remebered. Once Pikon gets serious he starts beating Goku left and right (aside from the brief moment where he combines Super Sayian and Kaioken) and is clearly way stronger than him. The only reason Goku won is because he discovered a blind spot in his technique and got a drop on him with Warp Kamechameha. And even that only pushed Pikon out of the ring and did pretty much no damage, when it took most of Cells upper body.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#8965: Nov 18th 2014 at 12:29:46 PM

I hope Frieza doesn't have a new transformation. That's not how Frieza's transformations work. Final Form is his base form; his transformations lower his power, not raise it. They're like locks to hold in his incredible ki.

I'm rather surprised to hear that.

Cooler pulled it off pretty well.

I've heard there's a video game where Krillin and #18 atomize Frieza with The Power of Love

What.

edited 18th Nov '14 12:30:24 PM by FOFD

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8966: Nov 18th 2014 at 12:31:47 PM

Cooler's a movie, dood.

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#8967: Nov 18th 2014 at 12:35:18 PM

So Krillin and #18 create the Sekiha Love Love tenyouken?

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#8968: Nov 18th 2014 at 2:26:04 PM

There were a few fillers that showed Cell and Frieza training in Hell and becoming Evil BFFs.

Which, as stated before, contradicts the fact that neither Cell nor Frieza would have been allowed to keep their body after they died, and is clearly just done for fanservice - I mean, even IF they both somehow got to have their bodies, why would either of them even want anything to do with the other, in what universe could Frieza ever hope to spar evenly with Cell, why would Cell still have his Super Perfect form when he's lacking not just one but BOTH Androids....

It's nonsense. It's a really cool idea if you don't give it any thought, but it's nonsense.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8969: Nov 18th 2014 at 2:28:41 PM

@Cru Toriyama being involved isn't enough for me given the poster. I'd like to think this won't be "Freeza's power is eleventy billion so scary pls take srsly" but given that they've already subverted that in the Jump special and Fusion Reborn and the like I have a suspicion it really is going to be played straight here.

Toriyama says he was inspired by the song [F], which is extremely pro-Freeza, and it could be that he's decided to start pandering to the huge fanbase Freeza has. It's certainly a smart business decision.

I honestly think any plot that starts with "Remnants of Freeza's forces arrive on Earth" should now just be screwed up and thrown in the bin.

[up] Well, I could see them being friends simply out of narcissism. They're both veeery similar.

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#8970: Nov 18th 2014 at 2:45:24 PM

Well Cell does literally have a piece of Freeza inside of him :V

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#8971: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:02:10 PM

Cell got his perfect form back even when he lost one android. Granted he still regressed and it took him regenerating from a single cell, but hey he did.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8972: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:13:20 PM

Yeah, but that was because of the near death boost. After getting it once, he can transform into it again when he's strong enough. But outside of the Androids that kind of relies on things like the near death boost, and bringing Cell to that point is pretty hard.

Man, it'd be so much simpler if the Androids were just absorbed completely. Screw Kuririn and his boner subplot, the arc would've been better without it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8973: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:31:19 PM

[up]

I'm pretty sure Android 18 did screw Krillin.tongue

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Well, I fully acknowledge that I should be beaten for that joke.

But who among you has the guts to do it?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#8974: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:33:12 PM

-Pumps shotgun.- Ya better get busy runnin'. Or get busy dyin.

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#8975: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:37:13 PM

I always knew it would be you Son Of Sharknado.

You're just like your father.

Full of Sharks.

Anyway, getting serious for now, maybe the whole thing with Frieza is a huge Bait-and-Switch to hide the real villain. I know there's no proof of that, but who knows, they might surprise us.

Witness....the return of Commander Red!tongue

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