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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8851: Nov 15th 2014 at 3:40:28 PM

Of course it does something.

It gives him the power of the Swag.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8852: Nov 15th 2014 at 4:08:30 PM

So is the correct term Ultimate or Mystic Gohan?

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#8853: Nov 15th 2014 at 4:39:07 PM

Yes.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#8854: Nov 15th 2014 at 4:49:18 PM

"Mystic" is a fan nickname. "Ultimate," to my knowledge, is what the video games call that form.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8855: Nov 15th 2014 at 5:20:37 PM

Non canonical sources seem to really like the word 'Ultimate'. Like how Gogeta SSJ 4 is 'The Ultimate Fusion', and stuff like that.

The 'Form' doesn't really have a name 'cause it's not really an ascended form or anything of the sort. Gohan doesn't have to do anything special to access that power and it's always available once unlocked. 'Ultimate' or 'Mystic' Gohan, however you want to call him... is just Gohan.

He's still less badass than he was when he was 11, btw.

edited 15th Nov '14 5:21:45 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#8856: Nov 15th 2014 at 5:24:51 PM

[up] You mean when he was nine; the anime aged him up.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8857: Nov 15th 2014 at 5:35:36 PM

Nobody can sell Gohan being 9 at that point.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8858: Nov 15th 2014 at 6:15:24 PM

Actually Mystic is also official, but only used in English Merchandise. Ultimate is the most recent term used, but he's also been called "Chou Gohan" (Chou means Super, but it's different to Super Saiyan because that's usually written in English), or "Strongest/Mightiest Warrior Gohan" (based on what Elder Kaioshin said).

Super Saiyan 3 Goku did indeed lose to Pure Boo because of the drawbacks of a living body using Super Saiyan 3. Which means he easily could have beaten Pure Boo at the time with Super Saiyan 3, he just needed to kill himself first then immediately be revived on the spot and use Super Saiyan 3 without drawbacks, since they're in the Kaioshin realm.

The Dragon Balls sort of needed to become as versatile as they did to avoid Unfortunate Implications of the mass resurrections. Being able to resurrect people multiple times only ever matters for Kuririn and Chaozu individually, but it also means that the mass resurrections aren't going to leave large numbers of people who already died in previous arcs still dead. It winds up being more for the sake of the civilians than anything else.

[up] He was physically 10. And he wasn't very badass, he had two modes during the Cell Games: pacifist who forgot his character development, and cocky sadist who made the situation worse.

edited 15th Nov '14 6:23:53 PM by Saiga

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#8859: Nov 15th 2014 at 6:53:10 PM

Saiga, he was nine. Seven years past between the Cell Games and the World Tournament, and Gohan's 16 at that time. It would only work if he was nine during the Cell Games.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8860: Nov 15th 2014 at 6:55:10 PM

And he was physically ten, as he spent a year in the Room of Spirit and Time. At the start of the Boo arc he's physically 17, but from the perspective of the Earth, he's 16.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8861: Nov 15th 2014 at 8:00:49 PM

He was physically 10, yes, but he looked 13 at least.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8862: Nov 15th 2014 at 8:02:06 PM

To be honest, there's not really much difference between physically 16 and physically 17.

I mean, most people wouldn't look much different at that point, so it's kinda moot to argue it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8863: Nov 15th 2014 at 8:04:12 PM

[up][up] In some shots, yeah, but there are plenty where he actually looks closer to ten - Toriyama varied his art of Gohan a lot when he was trying to make him look strong or intimidating. In less serious scenes it's not hard buying him as ten.

And it's still not as bad as 15-16 year old Goku.tongue

RandomGuy96 Since: Apr, 2014
#8864: Nov 15th 2014 at 8:17:33 PM

And yet still voiced by an old woman no matter what age they are. [tdown]

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8865: Nov 15th 2014 at 8:24:58 PM

You know, I'm fully aware that I should hate Goku's Japanese voice as much as everyone else, but I just don't.

But then again, I fully admit that my taste is pretty questionable at times, what with liking and hating things for pretty questionable reasons at times.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#8866: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:06:17 PM

[up][up][up] Except Goku looked like he does now when he was 15-16; remember, he was wrong on his age at the beginning and was actually 12.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8867: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:07:23 PM

You know what taught me to appreciate Goku's JP voice?

The fighting games. For some insane reason, I just really, really like how Goku sounds when he's fighting. While the high pitched voice should be annoying... it just isn't when he's fighting. But I still vastly prefer his latin voice, both in and out of fights.

Also, lots of people can vary greatly on their apparent age depending on how they're standing, their clothes and the expression on their faces, which explains why Gohan can sometimes manage to look his actual age. That, and even subtle differences such as the sharpness of the lines and the angles of his face can make huge differences.

As for Goku looking like a little kid when he shouldn't... well, he is an alien. That might also explain Gohan, as well. Saiyan biology works in very odd ways, given that they don't actually become old, even though their lifespan is apparently no longer than a human's. (I'll always run with the headcanon of "No Saiyan has ever died of old age. When they became old and weak, another killed them in battle because that's the only dignified way to die for a Saiyan. So we have no idea how long they could actually live if given the chance to grow old, but it's somewhere in the ballpark of a human lifetime.")

edited 15th Nov '14 9:10:08 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#8868: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:10:54 PM

Didn't one of the newer interviews with Toriyama have him state that the reason Goku looked so young for so long was because Saiyans age at a slower rate?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8869: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:11:02 PM

[up][up][up] Yes, he was originally 12... then 8 months passed and the RRA arc happened... then 3 years passed and the 22nd Budokai happened... where he had the same appearance as when he was 12. At 15-16.

The first time he appears to look like an adult is when he's 18, at the 23rd Budokai.

edited 15th Nov '14 9:11:11 PM by Saiga

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#8870: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:14:53 PM

Wait, when did the three years happen?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8871: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:16:09 PM

Between the RRA arc and the 22nd Budokai.

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#8872: Nov 15th 2014 at 9:25:45 PM

What was he even doing for three years?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8874: Nov 15th 2014 at 10:00:19 PM

Yep.

That's what Goku does.

It's also the most copied trait in fanfiction. Goku doesn't need a reason or motivation to train as hard as he can as best as he can. He does it simply because of the joy of improving himself and facing even greater challenges every time.

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#8875: Nov 16th 2014 at 7:32:33 AM

In the course of a good six or seven years between meeting Bulma and competing in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku does 100% of his growing in the latter three. He doesn't really age, so much as he transformed from his Child form to his Adult form one day while training with God. I choose to believe it's a Saiyan thing. tongue

edited 16th Nov '14 7:32:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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