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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#8827: Nov 15th 2014 at 10:05:38 AM

[up][up]Just saying that before Namek, death was a big deal, since people could be revived with the dragonballs only once. If they had died again, it would have been permanent. But after that, yeah...except that Dende had to be kept alive for the balls to even function. If he died, they would have been screwed. Then there was Future Trunks' timeline, where Piccolo ended up dying, meaning no revivals for everyone killed by the Androids.

@favourite attack: Limited to manga/anime, or can it be from games as well?

edited 15th Nov '14 10:08:06 AM by Diamite

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8828: Nov 15th 2014 at 10:18:46 AM

It can be from anywhere you want.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8829: Nov 15th 2014 at 10:48:37 AM

The "Death is meaningless because of the Dragon Balls" thing is actually very, very wrong, and for a very simple reason.

If the heroes die before the villain is defeated, the world is fucked. Just like that.

The Dragon Balls can't 'break tension' because the heroes first have to survive their fights in order to use them. More importantly, they have to win, so that using them isn't pointless.

Sure, they enable otherwise unworkable plans, such as sacrificing the entire population of Earth to buy some time for Goten and Trunks to train themselves up, as well as the usage of suicide attacks that would be inviable otherwise, but they can't kill tension because if the heroes lose, the world is fucked anyway.

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#8830: Nov 15th 2014 at 11:21:07 AM

Yeah, and Super Buu outright wrecked that plan.

Piccolo: Okay, we'll distract the super-villain by letting him wipe out earth's population and-"

Krillin: Er, Piccolo, he just murdered 99.9 percent of the Earth's population while you were tal-"

Super Buu: Okay, I killed all the humans. NOW FIGHT ME OR I DESTROY THE EARTH.

-

Then there's Kid Buu.

Goku: Alright Vegeta, we've rescued everyone! Now we just need to finish off Buu, grab the Dragon Balls an-

(cue Buu destroying the planet, Piccolo included, thereby undoing most of their efforts and forcing Goku and Vegeta to flee by the skin of their teeth)

Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
Rainy Echoes
#8831: Nov 15th 2014 at 11:40:42 AM

One of my favourite attacks is the Warp Kamehameha, one reason being that no one saw that attack coming. Looking at it again, seeing Cell's reaction to it was splendid, even if it didn't stick.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8832: Nov 15th 2014 at 11:41:41 AM

Actually, something that Goku is often called out upon actively saved the universe right then and there. 'Cause Goku was able to think fast enough that he rescued Dende and Mr. Satan.

Admittedly, rescuing Gohan would've led to the same result...

But Goku in Super Saiyan 3 form could take Kid Buu anyway, so at that point, they'd basically already won.

[up]Cell's reactions to attacks that surprise him are awesome.

Like the first Final Flash.

edited 15th Nov '14 11:44:12 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#8833: Nov 15th 2014 at 11:55:39 AM

[up][up]Wait Goku destroyed Cell's head, but that's where the regeneration core is. so how did he regenerate?

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#8834: Nov 15th 2014 at 11:56:34 AM

Yes, as others have noted, the Dragon Balls make clean-up between arcs easier, but contribute nothing to actually ending the threat of the villain. The only time the Dragon Balls ever actually contributed to defeating a Big Bad was Vegeta's master plan against Majin Buu.

Goku in Super Saiyan 3 form could take Kid Buu anyway

No, he couldn't. He thought he could, but he sorely underestimated the awfulness of Super Saiyan 3.

It's debatable whether or not Ultimate Gohan could, but it's probably yes given his performance against Super Buu. Super Vegito would have made short work of Pure Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Goku, however, just wasn't strong enough nor stable enough to win the fight - a lesson he learned very harshly when his attempts to recover his energy, get a Second Wind, and come back swinging while Vegeta bought time resulted in Super Saiyan 3 bleeding his ki dry and kicking him back out to Base.

edited 15th Nov '14 12:03:51 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8835: Nov 15th 2014 at 12:08:12 PM

Super Saiyan 3 was at best even with Pure Buu, but like it was said, Goku just couldn't maintain the form meanwhile Buu had stamina to spare.

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#8836: Nov 15th 2014 at 12:10:57 PM

Wasn't it because his dead body had more stamina than the living one, so he miscalculated on how much he can expend?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8837: Nov 15th 2014 at 12:30:00 PM

Even his dead body could only take it so much.

He burned up all his time using it if you recall.

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#8838: Nov 15th 2014 at 12:42:14 PM

Goku lost not because he was weaker, but because he overestimated his body's endurance and underestimated the strain the Super Saiyan 3 transformation put on his body.

His power when not restrained by a body of flesh most likely would've been enough to win. Heck, he probably could've won if he'd tried the 'gather power and blast him all at once' plan right from the start. But a very consistent character flaw Goku has throughout the entirety of the manga is exactly the attitude that almost led to Buu's victory.

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Diamite Rainy Echoes Since: Jul, 2013
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#8839: Nov 15th 2014 at 12:44:44 PM

Wait Goku destroyed Cell's head, but that's where the regeneration core is. so how did he regenerate?

I don't quite remember. Maybe some part of his head survived the blast, somehow. Then there's the part when he survived his own self-destruction...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8840: Nov 15th 2014 at 1:21:49 PM

Cell's regeneration simply surpasses Piccolo's.

No head needed.

Edit: Oh right. The core. I guess it's just very sturdy. I mean, it also survived when Cell exploded himself.

edited 15th Nov '14 1:22:29 PM by HandsomeRob

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#8841: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:08:19 PM

Even Cell's not really sure how his regeneration really works.

His core might just be able to move fast enough that it dodged the Instant Kamehameha.

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#8842: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:13:06 PM

Stupid inconsistent regeneration. If it wasn't for it Goku would have beat a stronger opponent by clever use of his abilities instead of having Gohan do it by releasing moar true powah!

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8843: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:20:27 PM

Super Perfect Cell is a whole mess of contradictions and inconsistencies but I don't care because he's awesome.

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#8844: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:44:31 PM

The dub said each of his cells contains his entire genetic make up, so if even a single cell is left he can regenerate. Not sure what any other version did or said.

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#8845: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:46:07 PM

Super Perfect Cell is a whole mess of contradictions and inconsistencies

...

Okay. He's not even my favorite villain, but I'll bite. What contradictions and inconsistencies?

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8846: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:49:51 PM

We just went over one. Goku blew off his head and he regenerated just fine.

There's also the fact that just regrowing his head and upper body took a HUGE amount of ki. It made Cell weaker, because he has Namekian regen, which takes energy to perform.

So if it substantially drained him to regrow just half of his body, why did it make him super more powerful to regrow his entire thing? He should just be weakened to the point of helplessness.

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#8847: Nov 15th 2014 at 2:49:56 PM

Personally, I just thought Cell was capable of moving the core throughout his entire body, so when Goku used the Instant Kamehameha on him he just moved the core to his legs or something.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#8848: Nov 15th 2014 at 3:09:13 PM

[up][up]Saiyan cells.

More overpowered than Senju DNA.

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#8849: Nov 15th 2014 at 3:16:43 PM

Yet another proof that Zenkais work at plot convince.

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#8850: Nov 15th 2014 at 3:18:48 PM

Didn't Cell also have a core in his chest? That black spot had to do something.

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