Manga/Dragon Ball

Broly lists of feats

• Destroyed South Galaxy
• Has a transformation that trumps Super Saiyan and further levels of said transformation
• Can take on 4 super saiyans and a Namekian at the same time.
• Defeated buff Roshi in a 1v1
• Survived 2 planets destructions
• Was able to tire out Android 18, a character with infinite stamina
• Can achieve higher super saiyan transformations, even if his Legendary form is supreme. Also those transformations are stronger than the average user.

In other, his power IS MAXIMUM!

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Hey now. That's only because Roshi was wasted. If he had been sober Roshi would have gone Ultra Instinct and whooped Broly's ass.

Ultra Instinct Roshi can dodge good, but I dont think he can hit anything.

Ya can’t beat what ya can’t hit.

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What do y'all think DBS will be like after Broly, and how do ya think it'll lead to Uub? I have a gut feeling they'll try to incorporate Ultra Instinct into that final fight somehow, like Uub tapping into Omen and Goku noticing that potential.

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I think that Uub will get his own arc immediately following his introduction. Like, they'll re-tell the episode of Goku fighting Uub at the Tenkaichi Budokai and flying off, and then the very next episode is going to be Goku and Uub getting to his village and asking his parents if Goku can train him. Somehow, there's going to be some big villain who shows up literally a couple days after Goku meets Uub, and fighting them is going to be a full arc.

I hope this Uub-centric arc involves Buu in a major role, since he's been shafted so much by Super, but I won't hold my breath.

So, while I've been watching DBZ Abridged Episode 60 Part 3 again, I just thought of a thing, and now it's bothering me. Why did Super Perfect Cell kill just Trunks? Wouldn't going after Vegeta or Gohan make more sense?

It's been 3000 years…

i don't think he could've actually killed gohan with a blast like that? and i think the difference between killing trunks and vegeta in minimal, really. i think cell just wanted to kill someone to make gohan feel powerless anyway.

also since when do you expect logical decision making from a character in dragon ball?

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

He has well gone beyond insane at that point.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Oh snap! All Systems Goku is back with DBZ Kai The Final Chapters.

Edited by Moth13 on Sep 24th 2018 at 11:58:39 AM

Huh I feel like I’d be less harsh on the manga if I haven’t been reading a lot of Kengan Ashura recently.

Like I don’t know the To P is not really the brutal high-octane thrill ride as I imagined it would be.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I think Toriyama, while willing to experiment, just kinda defaults back to certain ideas due to that inherent laziness of him.

Then again, he wasn't actually the one writing any of this. He only made the outline, and let Toei and Toyotarou fill in the details.

That was the problem really. Both groups have their own interpretations, and those interpretations have their own flaws. I think if he'd put more effort into straight up writing the arc himself, things would have maybe been better.

We can't know for sure.

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Which Jerez do you prefer: one who praises Ribrianne for being beautiful, or one who hates how ugly Ribrianne is?

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The TOP would support that, especially given how while it sets up this grand idea of a battle royale, it eventually falls down to progessing like your average tournament arc. Despite the opening scrum being chaotic, on the whole Universe 7 largely fights a single universe team at once, then once they're eliminated moves on to the next. Each "mini-arc" with universes even has the typical tournament arc staple of a character having a big powerup moment in that story, before it becoming secondary in the next. And to top it off, very little happened if our protags (or the "villains" of Team 11) weren't involved, so after a certain point Universe 7 had to do everything.

The whole plot thread of Gohan actually strategizing like a battle royale is laughably irrelevant, and the whole thing just defaults to the typical while trying to play like it's not. But since it's trying to do both, the whole thing just bloats. It drags on, gets repetitive (granted, it was being repetitive from day one, so I guess that's inevitable regardless), and lost momentum more and more.

Imo, just having it be a straight elimination tournament would've streamlined it a lot better: do it Dark Tournament style and have the deck be stacked against Universe 7, and have a structured "characters fight X team" mini-arcs with snapshots of how other teams we empathize with are doing and/or the characters doing stuff when not actually fighting.

That would give four major battles, in addition to periphery stuff. The actual Dark Tournament had more than that (five team fights, plus at least two non-fight related character mini-arcs) and was ten episodes shorter.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 24th 2018 at 12:35:44 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Just thought I'd share this unbelievably epic cover of Bruce Faulconer's SSJ 3 theme with you

I actually prefer it over the original!

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 24th 2018 at 9:37:16 PM

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That's good shit.

To answer the question of why Cell killed Trunks specifically, he didn't. In the manga, Cell wonders who he killed and is surprised to find out it was Trunks. He was just firing at someone randomly while he had the element of surprise. Abridged changed it to him aiming at Tien and hitting Trunks because their power levels were so close compared to his own that he couldn't tell them apart.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 24th 2018 at 1:30:53 AM

I think Cell is so ridiculously arrogant and convinced he can't lose that taking a blast at one of the strongest of the field just to drive in the despair and hopelessness makes sense.

That and he wanted to give Gohan serious pain in a more personal matter, I figure.

Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 24th 2018 at 1:30:47 AM

Also, Trunks dying was because Vegeta needed development

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Trunks dying seemed like the only way to give Vegeta development considering he flat out refused it for most of the arc.

Also, just found this video that finally explains why Goku is always ahead of Vegeta:

Not sure if that works...then again, if Goku lets him do it, I suppose it's not impossible. That rule about not being able to grant a wish beyond the power of the creator of the balls is always a bit confusing really.

Also, you didn't imagine it: Goku in this video is our boy Masako X.

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Might as well turn Shenron into Toribot. Why not, plenty of Vegeta fans seem to believe that the only reason that Goku is stronger is because Toriyama hates Vegeta.

That's ridiculous.

Goku is stronger because he's the hero and he's supposed to be the strongest.

Plus (with the possible exception of Resurrection F where I'd argue he should have been allowed to finish it, and that's admittedly being generous) Vegeta is at his best when he's getting his ass kicked.

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Definitely not because Goku is better at training or more talented or anything. MC shield is the second most used excuse in attempting at justifying Vegeta being weaker than Goku. Meta-wise they're correct , but how many of them accept the in-universe reasons?

Ok yeah. The training thing.

It is true that Goku is far better at training, both with others and on his own. One of the benefits of having masters for many years.

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I'm curious do you think the TOP would have been better if rather than just a battle royal there were rounds and each round the universes would have to compete in a different event. I feel like it would have allowed they characters to better show off their strengths and abilities, plus it may have prevented the TOP from becoming to much of a slog, or at least save the battle royal part for the last event.