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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8601: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:32:31 PM

I don't know if this was dub only, but Gohan was said to be stronger than Goku even before he went SSJ 2. The only reason he didn't put up a fight because he absolutely did not want to fight Cell whatsoever.

If his heart was in it, he would have put up a better fight than Goku no doubt, but I doubt he would defeat him as handily as he did when he went SSJ 2.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8602: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:42:29 PM

Gohan didn't do much because he refused to fight Cell right from the start. The one time he attacked Cell he effortlessly knocked Cell on his ass, with a kick. Cell did up his speed, as he mentioned he'd go all out in speed (and later, he tries going all out in power against SS 2 Gohan). Because of Gohan's sudden pacifism, there's not much else than that. However, he was completely unimpressed by Goku and Cells battle, thinking they were holding back and moving slow. So he was stronger thsn the level of power Cell used against Goku (barring some sort of retcon) and Cell needed to use his full speed even when Gohan wasn't trying.

He probably wasn't stronger than Cell's full power, but that only came up after Gohan transformed. If Goku had guessed Cell's full power correctly Gohan shouldn't have needed to transform - provided he actually fought.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8603: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:48:04 PM

Hmm, if Cell's full power indeed made him much faster, I think Gohan would have needed Super Saiyan 2 to keep up.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8604: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:57:12 PM

I mean if he stayed at the level he fought Goku instead of increasing his speed or powering up. I'm fairly confident his full power would be too much for Gohan as that was probably why Cell was still confident after realizing Gohan was much stronger than Goku.

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#8605: Oct 27th 2014 at 2:59:35 PM

Remember how Goku was all "more training won't help" and how relying on Gohan's hidden power is the only way? Except it turned out more training would help so it was stupid.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8606: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:04:07 PM

Not really, both Trunks and Vegeta, the two guys that could probably come the closest to matching Cell after Goku and Gohan, were still explicitly weaker than him. Vegeta even notes he can't beat Cell after watching him and Goku duke it out.

Goku was pretty much right, because no amount of training would have helped against Cell at all and banked everything on Gohan's hidden reserves.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8607: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:06:10 PM

No, he wasn't. He relied on Gohan's hidden power when Gohan refused to fight Cell. He just knew Gohan was much stronger than him and relied on that.

It was training in the room that he said wouldn't help, because they put their bodies through too much and the room is too harsh. They continued to train outside the room.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8608: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:11:08 PM

I thought his plan in the first place was to rely on Gohan's hidden power, regardless if he wanted to fight Cell or not. Goku expected Cell to push Gohan enough to unleash his power.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#8609: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:19:09 PM

The Z-Fighters were really up shit creek without a paddle during the whole Cell Games fiasco. Because the difference in strength between Cell and Z-Fighters was so freaking huge, that as Goku correctly pointed out, no training would have been enough to close the gap. Especially, when they only had ten days before the Cell Games began. They pretty much had to bank on Gohan's hidden power to beat Cell, it was really all or nothing.

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edited 27th Oct '14 3:20:36 PM by FireShadow

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8610: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:22:06 PM

I don't think it was just Cell's power that was the problem, he had regeneration and could blow himself up when things got desperate, yea they were pretty screwed actually.

I just realized that entire climax is thanks to Goku of all people pulling off a successful Batman Gambit against Cell. the only things he couldn't anticipate was Gohan getting cocky and the aforementioned Cell blowing himself up

edited 27th Oct '14 3:22:50 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#8611: Oct 27th 2014 at 3:22:14 PM

Oh, I forgot they couldn't keep using the room. Makes more sense than just "no amount of training will help" seeing as how much he powered during the first year.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#8612: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:03:23 PM

Will Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta be available after the game is out, or is it preorder or bust?

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#8613: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:13:07 PM

so,did Gohan give a reason for not wanting to fight Cell,after spending 7(i think?) years training to do so?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#8614: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:14:04 PM

Plot-induced stupidity.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8615: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:17:50 PM

Gohan doesn't like fighting, he's never liked fighting. He's fought when he had to. He's only even trained when he's been told to. We see this clearly in-between Cell and Buu Saga. What does he do when he has time off? Just relax.

It was not out of nowhere, it was showing how Gohan is not Goku. He is his own person and has no Saiyan thirst for combat or pushing his limits.

It made total sense. If I had my neck broken and saw an entire race massacred and my own father killed and my father figure killed, I might think violence is pretty shit.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#8616: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:19:37 PM

[up]x4 Well considering Battle Of Z pulled this kind of stunt last year with Super Saiyan Vegito and Bardock no less, only for them to back track and offer the characters to be downloaded two months later for free, it wouldn't come as a surprise if the same thing happened with Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta in Xenoverse. But as for now, Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta will not be available if you don't preorder the game. Bandai Namco explicitly stated that on their Facebook page.

The whole "Gohan doesn't like fighting" debate, I've never really understood. As far as I know, Gohan only fought or trained as much as he need to, provided he also had the right incentive. (i.e. Someone he cares for desperately needed help or is about to die). Which was pretty much all of the time, excluding the seven year gap between the end of the Cell arc and the beginning of the Majin Buu arc

edited 27th Oct '14 4:38:05 PM by FireShadow

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#8617: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:25:48 PM

That's silly.

I have no means of playing this game anyway, though, so I guess it doesn't matter to me.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#8618: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:26:58 PM

[up][up][up]Well it's both that and a bit Plot Induced Stupidity, yes Gohan prefers not to fight but you'd think he would have at least understood at that point that it's kind of necessary to protect his friends and family.

In fact, wasn't that the entire point of him becoming a Super Saiyan to begin with. I mean, I can kind of, sort of handwave it that Gohan didn't want to take his Dad's place as The Hero and was reluctant to cut loose because of that, but ultimately had no other choice when said father was about to be killed.

edited 27th Oct '14 4:27:39 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#8619: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:28:34 PM

So, DB is officially multiversal now, yes? I recall seeing a chart of where each timeline branched off (GT, the two Bad Futures, etc.); anyone know if that was official?

edited 27th Oct '14 4:28:45 PM by HamburgerTime

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#8620: Oct 27th 2014 at 4:45:07 PM

Well according to Battle Of Gods, yes, Dragon Ball is multiversal. Twelve universes to be exact. That in my opinion just sums up Dragon Ball, it can be expanded infinitely. We're are now gonna, hopefully, get out a lot of mileage from the other 11 universes. Most likely starting with 2015 Dragon Ball Z movie, which is set after Battle Of Gods.

edited 27th Oct '14 5:37:24 PM by FireShadow

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#8622: Oct 27th 2014 at 5:11:34 PM

GT is a bad future where Buu's screaming tore reality apart, creating a world where logic no longer applies and everyone has lost a few dozen IQ points each

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#8623: Oct 27th 2014 at 5:15:02 PM

[up][up] Unrevealed, but most likely not, since Toriyama is probably planning to expand the 12 into full creations of his own.

edited 27th Oct '14 5:15:17 PM by DoctorDiabolical

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#8624: Oct 27th 2014 at 5:41:45 PM

GT is nothing more than alternate reality/timeline in my opinion. Considering Toriyama, whether intentionally or not , effectively retconned GT out of the Dragon Ball Universe/Multiverse through Battle Of Gods, Jaco The Galactic Patrolman and Dragon Ball Minus.

edited 27th Oct '14 8:00:01 PM by FireShadow

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8625: Oct 27th 2014 at 5:45:56 PM

Meh, so things are more or less the same. Anime Continuity and Manga Continuity.


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