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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#8476: Oct 8th 2014 at 8:30:03 PM

There's no Majin Goku yet, is there?

Hard to believe all of the evil was knocked out of him that day. If Vegeta, father of the year, was still evil enough to be slightly taken over, then why not Goku, who, albeit, spent a lifetime doing good deeds, was still born rowdy.

On the other hand, this is Heroes, so screw explanations. Majin Goku is perfectly possible.

Majin Uub (Babidi-controlled), Baby Maj Uub, Babymega Shenron, Time Patrol Cell. Naruto (honorary fighter)

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#8477: Oct 8th 2014 at 9:38:49 PM

Vegeta still had a good decade or three of murder and genocide before becoming even an Anti-Hero.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#8478: Oct 8th 2014 at 9:39:17 PM

And he's still more sympathetic than Sasuke Uchiha!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8479: Oct 8th 2014 at 9:46:44 PM

[up]

The sad part is, that statement works as both a good joke, and a valid criticism.

Has Sasuke ever killed anyone who wasn't already a criminal, unlike Vegeta who likely slaughtered millions of innocents?

Cause that's just a shocking level of fail.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#8480: Oct 8th 2014 at 10:10:53 PM

Sorry, another question. What, if anything, is King Cold actually in charge of? I know he's weaker than his son, but is he The Man Behind the Man, is he retired and letting his son call the shots, or what?

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#8481: Oct 8th 2014 at 11:17:11 PM

I just finished the English dub of Battle of Gods.

[lol]

Most of the jokes fly over you when you have to read them at the bottom of the screen. Vegeta's bingo song is still cringeworthy, but eh, Narm Charm.

It's shocking how much Piccolo, Goku, and Vegeta's voices have changed. Still, they got most of the old voices back as far as I could tell - everyone except for Mai, who was a child in this film so, eh.

Beerus is such a dick.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#8482: Oct 8th 2014 at 11:44:42 PM

So, here's the characters who were found in the beta:

And the crazy part is, it's not complete yet...

How big is this game gonna be...

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#8483: Oct 9th 2014 at 12:25:02 AM

[up] All I know is that it'll still be a little disappointing if they have all these guys and skip Zarbon again >.>

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#8484: Oct 9th 2014 at 12:50:20 AM

As I said, not complete yet. smile

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8485: Oct 9th 2014 at 3:30:00 AM

@FOFD It might be hard to believe but all the evil had to have been bashed out of his brain, since he's pure of heart.

On Xenoverse's roster... ehhh. I like the looks of it except for the effects the new transformation system have had on it. I'm actually a bit thankful that the two Super Saiyan 4s are separate characters because at least they'll be viable, but I really think it's stupid to make separate characters for Freeza's 100% power and Super Perfect Cell.

Honestly, though, I think I'd prefer a Tenkaichi 1 / Battle of Z style "every transformation is a separate character" thing than "in-battle transformations are a pain in the ass". At least that way for my dream matches, I can use the form I want for the whole way through. If I want to do a match where a character would transform, it'd just be one battle with the base form and a second battle with the transformed character. In this system I get the in-game transformation and then can't maintain it, completely breaking the immersion.

Ultimate Gohan better not be temporary transformation, I want to be able to main him without it being frustrating.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#8486: Oct 9th 2014 at 9:09:07 AM

Baby Goku, then!

With a power level of 2!

Playable!

Finishing move is crying so loudly that it drives Baby Broly insane, who comes into the battle (like Videl's Gohan Ultimate from Budokai 2) and blasts the opponent.

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#8487: Oct 9th 2014 at 12:54:02 PM

That's if you succeed. It's like the Budokai ultimates where you have to win a minigame tug-of-war with the opponent while their character smashes Baby Goku away, causing him to plummet to the ground.

If you win, Baby Goku lands on his feet and starts crying, and Baby Broly comes in as mentioned. If you lose, Baby Goku smashes his head on a rock.

edited 9th Oct '14 12:54:44 PM by TobiasDrake

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#8488: Oct 9th 2014 at 2:20:52 PM

Random vid of Link fighting Dragon Ball characters:

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8489: Oct 11th 2014 at 7:53:32 PM

Why do some people think Vegeta was around Eighteen's level? Wasn't it made explicit she was just toying with him?

I know this is random but I've read that sentiment in this very forum and elsewhere.

edited 11th Oct '14 7:53:58 PM by Nikkolas

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#8490: Oct 11th 2014 at 8:09:13 PM

Once they stop giving concrete power levels, it becomes a little hard to gauge who is just toying with who unless the characters explicitly spell it out - and even then, sometimes they're just spouting bullshit, like when Vegeta intimidated Android 20 into fleeing the scene shortly after killing 19.

That's not to say she wasn't toying with Vegeta, just that the difficulty in properly gauging characters' powers on anything but their own egotistical word-of-mouth testimonies is what results in confusion like this.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8491: Oct 11th 2014 at 9:37:06 PM

[up][up] Two aspects, the first was that she wasn't toying with him the entire fight, and the second was that their infinite energy was a big contributor in her victory over Vegeta.

By the time she had gotten serious, Vegeta had already lost stamina, and he was still putting up a fight despite being at an obvious disadvantage. Things just got worse for him as he continued to lose stamina.

So he is around her level while still clearly being weaker than her. The biggest contributor to his loss was 18's stamina.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8492: Oct 11th 2014 at 9:43:01 PM

I remember.

It was kinda the same with Piccolo and 17. They were more or less equal, but 17 believed he would win because Piccolo would tire out fire.

Of course, unlike Vegeta, Piccolo knew this, and wasn't going to fuck around like Vegeta did, or let 17 drag the fight out.

I wonder how things would have fared if Vegeta had been aware of the infinite energy of the Androids? He might have fought smarter.

I say might because this is Vegeta after all. And more to the point Android / Cell Saga Vegeta, who wasn't exactly at his smartest.

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#8493: Oct 11th 2014 at 9:44:14 PM

Vegeta would just believe that he had more than infinite energy.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#8494: Oct 11th 2014 at 9:46:51 PM

I got bored and made a DBH tropes page. If any of ya want to help out in putting more info, be my guest.

In the meanwhile, here's Sergio's final datamining video, which has a ton of new info:

edited 11th Oct '14 9:47:09 PM by Rinsankajugin

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8495: Oct 11th 2014 at 9:54:44 PM

[up][up][up] Piccolo fought no differently than Vegeta, and the outcome would have been the same. So yeah don't see Vegeta doing much differently if he knew, especially because there simply wasn't much he could do differently save avoiding the fight to begin with.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8496: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:10:49 PM

I guess the only difference is that he knew he was on a time limit. Not that it mattered like you said. He was trying to kill 17's ass the whole time, and was only succeeding in breaking even with him.

In retrospect, what Piccolo should have tried is to launch a surprise attack at 18.....which probably would have been stopped by 16.

Yeah, he was fucked no matter what happened.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8497: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:15:24 PM

His Hellzone Grenade plan might've worked if not for the barrier 17 had, he couldn't have seen that coming. But yeah, he really wasn't in a position to do anything more proactive.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#8498: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:29:49 PM

The best he could have hoped for is for 17 to make a mistake that gave him an opening.

You know, times like this, it might have been a mistake to abandon the Special Beam Canon.

I mean, those small piercing attacks are pretty effective. Remember Frieza's finger beams?

Something like that might have gotten through 17's defences.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#8499: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:33:02 PM

Saiga, can you help me out here?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3605321&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=109

If you can't read that thread, here is what is being said:

Power Levels don't matter. Power Levels do not equal higher overall stats. Full Power Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ 2 Gohan but he just wasn't any more durable so it didn't matter.

It's really irritating... I've never heard anyone trying to argue P Ls were worthless and a higher PL didn't translate to higher everything.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#8500: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:48:34 PM

For one, Vegeta outright says that when someone's battle power is raised, their speed also rises.

I don't think there's going to be any point arguing there. A lot of things are completely baseless, like Cell being stronger than Gohan, or ignoring that characters can create ki attacks stronger than themselves. Also don't seem to be aware that of the concept "the exception that proves the rule". The fact that Grade III only increases power is specifically said to be what makes the transformation flawed, and proves that usually powering up does more than that. Like Vegeta says.

And that they take the "power levels are bullshit" line as some sort of rule despite it

a) coming from a fan work b) explicitly contradicting what the series establishes c) being wrong even in said fan work, because the joke is based on Vegeta's ignorance

There's not going to be a constructive debate to be had there. I mean, some of what they're saying has some truth, like how important other factors are in battle, but it's plain wrong to say that battle powers don't decide anything or play no part.

Battle power is neither absolutenote  nor irrelevant.

Also for the Raditz fight, Goku was able to restrain Raditz only after Raditz was struck in the chest by Gohan hard enough to crack his armour.

Although, I'm surprised you haven't come across people arguing that before. I've seen it come up quite a lot, usually to push a weaker character somehow.

edited 11th Oct '14 10:57:29 PM by Saiga


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