Re: Motivations
Gero and 19 are easy enough: Gero wants revenge and 19 has to obey him. 17 and 18 want to meet and fight Goku because it's a game to them; they're kids. Cell wants to be complete. After he achieves completion he pretty much says he no longer has any goals but to test his power, then he says his new goal is to keep destroying planets and killing billions.
The motivations are okay.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."![]()
Nearly all of those moments mentioned are action scenes. Nothing substantial.
That's what this arc was: an Excuse Plot to set up action scenes. It had no narrative causality with the rest of the franchise; it didn't segue from anything that came before - no, not even the Red Ribbon Army, because Dr. Gero has nothing to do with the Red Ribbon Army storyline no matter how much he tries to claim returning villain status - and all of its villains sprang into existence nonsensically powerful for the sole purpose of fighting the protagonists, with no higher purpose or motivation beyond being a set of really hard Boss Fights.
This is the serial escalation of the franchise.
- Pilaf - some guy in a castle with two subjects, no real threat.
- Red Ribbon Army - the most powerful military force on the planet Earth.
- Piccolo Daimao - a powerful demon king that eats armies.
- Saiyans - planet-busting alien conquerors.
- Frieza - the lord of planet-busting alien conquerors, strongest living thing in the universe.
- Androids - Some robots built by a human scientist.
- Majin Buu - God-killing eldritch horror.
The escalation makes perfect sense, with the exception of the Androids. They don't fit. There is no causality with these characters; no answer to why they are so powerful. No causality, no motivation, no purpose to exist and no logic to why they do. They are empty characters providing empty drama, and I'm sorry but a bunch of empty fight scenes against walking Plot Devices don't satisfy me when there is no reason why anyone involved should even be fighting in the first place.
Gohan finally unlocking his Hidden Power and Piccolo merging with God were amazing conclusions to long-running storylines, and I feel sad that they had to be wasted on such utterly pointless villains.
EDIT: Not really sold on Future Trunks either. I mean, yes, once his relationship with Vegeta stopped being the former telling him to go f*ck himself, that was great. But I'm not fond of the way Trunks literally interrupted the plot to go, "Hey guys, f*ck that story, I've got some bad guys for you to fight." And also he's a Super Saiyan and is the only Saiyan who has special new colors for his hair and he's more powerful than anyone but Goku and effortlessly kills the current villain to wow all the established characters and demonstrate how great he is, and also he is a time traveler too. Trunks made a very bad first impression, let's just leave it at that.
Up until this point, when the protagonists came into conflict with the antagonists, it was because they actually had something they were trying to accomplish or achieve that put them directly into conflict with the villains, who were also trying to accomplish or achieve something. There was a goal, and the fighting was just part of that. The entire point of fighting the Androids, however, is "The Androids exist, thus there must be a fight. If you don't fight them, they'll come fight you, so everyone, Let's You and Him Fight."
EDIT EDIT: I am really liking grown-up Gohan. He's an utterly ridiculous fourth-wall breaking bastard. Just started the Buu Saga and the whole tone feels like Classic Dragon Ball revived.
edited 7th Sep '14 6:19:55 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Updated the Dragon Ball Heroes roster list.
Added Time Patrol Trunks, Young Piccolo, Dr. Wheelo, Dr. Kochin, Kishime, Ebifurya, Misokattsun, Biomen and Jaco. With this update, DBH now encompasses Dragon Ball, DBZ, DBGT, DBO, most of the movies and specials, Neko Majin and Jaco the Galactic Patrolman. I'll update again come JM 7 releases.
edited 7th Sep '14 7:34:44 PM by Rinsankajugin
I am really liking the opening to the Buu Saga. It is truly ridiculous how powerful these protagonists are at this point, and I feel like this arc really has a firm grasp on that. The strongest warriors in the universe are actually being treated like the strongest warriors in the universe.
I just passed Vegeta effortlessly blowing away Babidi's first minion after scoffing at 10x Earth's gravity - while that certainly means something back in ordinary galactic levels, that concept is meaningless to the likes of Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan post-Frieza - and all I could think is, "Yep, that sounds about right."
Once Vegeta turns and the god-killing abomination arrives, it will stop being such an effortless curbstomp, but right now, the complete joke of a performance these characters who are probably very impressive when they're not fighting the guys who beat Frieza are putting in is exactly what fighting the androids should have been like.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Question, but when was the first time Goku used a normal ki blast that wasn't the Kamehameha?
Also, I just checked the wiki, and Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan are now being referred to as 2nd Grade Super Saiyan and 3rd Grade Super Saiyan.
edited 8th Sep '14 1:24:28 AM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!If you ignore the number bloat, then there's really no problem. The Super Saiyans, and Freeza, aren't anything unsurpassable. Super Saiyan was a legend about a racial feature, rather than some kind of mystical prophecy some fans make it out to be. Freeza's just an alien who is strong for no stated reason, you keep repeating that he's the strongest in the universe but that isn't the reasoning, the justification for his power: that's the result of it. That in itself is in need of justification, and it's one the story never actually gives.
Also, let's just not use the word 'random' here. Because just about anything can be disparaged by calling it random, I could've easily said Freeza's a random alien and it'd fit just as well as calling the Androids random robots. It's kind of meaningless.
On Freeza's mechanical upgrade - first of all, you're making a big assumption on the "more advanced civilisation thing". It's true that Earth as a whole is behind in the only area we can directly compare them (space travel) but Earth's geniuses are far ahead of the rest of the world, to the extent that they've reverse engineered and improved upon all alien technology they've come across, and what's more advanced than the wonder that is capsule technology? Possibly only something like time travel or literal infinite energy, both of which were also achieved by humans.
Gero is one of these geniuses, and his expertise was in weaponry and robotics. Not to mention Freeza's procedure was a life saving measure, not one based purely on creating powerful fighters. It's a fairly loose comparison at best.
The androids shot that consistency in the face. There is no reason for two random kids upgraded by a new character pretending to be a Red Ribbon scientist - who isn't even properly theme-named for the cast of characters he claims to be part of - to be higher than Frieza. There isn't even an attempt to justify why the Androids are so powerful, beyond Dr. Gero really hating Goku and working really hard to top him.
The consistency really doesn't change in any significant way. You neglected to mention that Dragon Ball's escalation included Aliens being stronger than Gods, or how the super elite of the universe's warrior race is weaker than several aliens who are never elaborated on. Dragon Ball has consistency but it still requires you to accept that aliens are stronger than demons and Gods, and if you can accept that there's no real reason not to accept robots stronger than aliens. It's the exact same level of consistency.
Also, the story does attempt to explain why they're so powerful. It's a combination of:
- Dr Gero putting much time and effort into making them as powerful as he could
- Dr Gero having the capability to make them so powerful due to his extraordinary level of expertise in robotics
- Dr Gero admitting he put too much focus into making them as powerful as possible, at the cost of other qualities like control
- The infinite energy reactors, which on top of being a massive scientific breakthrough, produced much better results than the energy absorbent models, as noted by 17.
This is a really poor example, it's actually baffling. You want to know another character who works really hard?
Goku. Everything you've ever said about Goku being a hard worker goes against this point. Ten doesn't get to punch Vegeta simply because Ten isn't capable. Vegeta got to surpass Goku because he is capable, and his hard work goes hand in hand with that. Goku has the capability to grow to incredible heights of power, and he works hard to realize that.
Gero isn't a Ten. He's extremely capable, a man who created sources of infinite energy. So when he works hard, when he pours his everything into his work, he gets results. Even then, he couldn't make models that strong without sacrificing control or relying on the infinite energy reactors, as seen in the weaker 19 and 20.
Majin Boo was made by accident, and Yamcha has the power to slay gods. I don't mean to knock Boo at all, I think he's a fine step in the escalation, but that's not the most accurate way to describe him.
There's not much of a legitimate excuse needed to trump Freeza - he himself lacks one for his own power. The Androids being that powerful for no other reason than because the story says so is absolutely untrue - several reasons are give. If you're going to boil those reasons down to "the story said so" then you'd better do it Freeza's strength, the Ginyu Force's strength, the Namekian's strength, the Saiyan's strength, God's strength, the Demon Clan's strength, the Earthling's strength, and every single other thing in the manga.
Cell himself says that he wouldn't do it for no reason, just that he absolutely wouldn't care if it happened, so he'll happily attempt to destroy Earth just to see what Goku can do about it. The threat of Cell isn't so much that he'll definitely do something like that, but there's nothing that would hold him back from doing so if he ever felt like it. You can't afford to let something that unfettered become unstoppably powerful.
For starters, Vegeta never had such aspirations. Before the massive Namek arc retcon, his desire was immortality so that he could enjoy an eternity of battle, post Namek arc retcon, his desire was simply killing Freeza. Even though he was a prince, he didn't care about any of that. Cell's threat to destroy the planet was simply motivation. The Earth means absolutely nothing for him, except that it houses the Z fighters. The only thing the Z fighters can offer him is a good fight, and if they can't do that (by failing the tournament) he has nothing more to gain out of them and nothing to lose by keeping his promise and doing away with Earth.
It doesn't make things very complicated at all, and certainly serves the story. Firstly, it ties the time travel plot device closer to the arc: it becomes something that's not exclusive to Trunks, and something that doesn't only benefit the heroes. It also also plays into Cell's creepy introduction, which wouldn't have anywhere near the impact it does without the second time machine being discovered. Cell being uninvolved with time travel would raise the question of why he doesn't appear in the future, a problem already presented with three of the Androids - and unlike those three, Cell's absence would be much harder to explain, as his history is known to extend further than the timeline's divergence.
Gero also didn't deliberately plan Cell to take as long as he did - the project was taking too long to complete, so Gero delegated it to his computer which delayed the project even further. Even then, it's still not guaranteed that the future would be devoid of both Goku and the Androids - Goku could have managed to avoid being killed by them like Gohan and Trunks did, or Gero could have chosen to deactivate them and keep them as stored away for Cell - getting killed by 17 wasn't something he accounted for in any of his plans, so Trunks' future doesn't resemble what Gero would have wanted.
Also, as an aside, I'm really tired of people pointing out Trunks' hair colour. It's special for a Saiyan, sure, because it was said (and only at that point) that pure Saiyans only have black hair. But Trunks isn't a pure Saiyan, and as an Earthling, his hair colour is completely normal (it's the same colour as Bulma's). He's as much Earthling as he is Saiyan, his hair was only meant to be weird when nobody knew that.
edited 8th Sep '14 5:51:50 AM by Saiga
So while reading Saiga's post it finally hit me:
Gero's scanning bug had been following the Z Warriors since Namek, gathering data on them for both all the Androids, and genetic samples for Cell........
It also scanned Frieza and his Father, and took some samples from them.
Frieza was a Cyborg......and nothing said the Bug couldn't scan in-organic material.
And we are all wondering how Gero created the infinite Energy models.....maybe it's been right in front of us. Now there's no evidence that he got anything from Cyborg Frieza, but it makes a lot of sense to me that while observing the battle with Trunks, he noted the advanced (if likely sloppy) cybernetics in the latter's body and scanned it in order to work some of it into his design. Hell, if Trunk's hadn't of blown Frieza to pieces completely, he'd have probably plucked some chunks for his research.
And as already stated, Gero is a genius; Bulma and her dad were able to reverse engineer alien tech, so why not him?
How does that float your boats?
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This is true, but he is an incredible genius.
He may have already been on the verge of such a breakthrough (depending on when he made the energy draining models) and the tech from Frieza just gave him the extra push.
I mean, he accidentally created Androids more powerful than Super Saiyan, something he didn't even know about. We only scratched the surface of what Gero could do.
One Strip! One Strip!I believe that was because his editor kept telling him to change the villains, first from 19 and 20 to 17 and 18, and then to Cell.
One Strip! One Strip!Oy, I was wondering, has there been characters that haven't been in DBH yet? All I can think are Nam, Devil Man, Red, Black, Android 8, Tamborine, Drum, Kid Chi-Chi, Chi-Chi, Grandpa Gohan, Kid Future Trunks, Tarble, Aba, Kado, Aka, Rage Shenron, Syn Shenron (Omega Shenron), GT Gogeta, Goku Jr., Vegeta Jr., Booby, Miira, Towa, Android 9/Cyborg Red, Mind Controlled Bardock, Android 8000, Android 19000, Cell-X or Ozotto.
edited 8th Sep '14 10:53:03 AM by Rinsankajugin
Honestly, if anyone is the blame for the how the narrative of the Android and Cell Arc gets screwed up, blame Toriyama's former editor Kazuhiko Torishima and editor at the time Yū Kondō. They made Toriyama have to drastically change shit on the spot constantly in regards to the plot. Because Torishima didn't like Android 19 and Dr Gero's design, Toriyama had to retcon them and then introduce Android 17 and 18 but then he didn't like their designs so he had to retcon Cell into the picture and guess what... Kondō didn't like how Cell looked! So he had retcon Cell abilities so that he could transform... twice. If anything, we need to give a massive amount of credit for still being able to pull it off Android and Cell arc as well as he did given the circumstances.
Also, let's just not use the word 'random' here. Because just about anything can be disparaged by calling it random, I could've easily said Freeza's a random alien and it'd fit just as well as calling the Androids random robots. It's kind of meaningless.
On Freeza's mechanical upgrade - first of all, you're making a big assumption on the "more advanced civilisation thing". It's true that Earth as a whole is behind in the only area we can directly compare them (space travel) but Earth's geniuses are far ahead of the rest of the world, to the extent that they've reverse engineered and improved upon all alien technology they've come across, and what's more advanced than the wonder that is capsule technology? Possibly only something like time travel or literal infinite energy, both of which were also achieved by humans.
Gero is one of these geniuses, and his expertise was in weaponry and robotics. Not to mention Freeza's procedure was a life saving measure, not one based purely on creating powerful fighters. It's a fairly loose comparison at best.
Fair enough, both on the word random and Earth's scientists. Bulma and her father were both amazingly brilliant, and it would be unfair to assume Dr. Gero couldn't be at least as smart as they are.
However, regarding Frieza being the strongest in the universe, while the why of him being so powerful is never stated, his status is still a position that must be filled. If Frieza wasn't the all-powerful lord of the galaxy, someone else would be. To me, Frieza doesn't need so much explanation because he's a pre-established entity; the product of millions of years of civilization, conflict, and evolution ultimately resulting in the biggest dog in the universe ascending to the top of the food chain.
The protagonists are newcomers in the galaxy, and they arrived to find themselves faced with a massive galactic hierarchy developed around the Asskicking Equals Authority that employed the Saiyans in the first place, in which the biggest, meanest guy alive is calling the shots because of course he is; if he wasn't the biggest and meanest, then someone else would be.
To me, Frieza doesn't need much to be justified, because there was always going to be a Frieza, regardless of whether Frieza himself is it.
Goku. Everything you've ever said about Goku being a hard worker goes against this point. Ten doesn't get to punch Vegeta simply because Ten isn't capable. Vegeta got to surpass Goku because he is capable, and his hard work goes hand in hand with that. Goku has the capability to grow to incredible heights of power, and he works hard to realize that.
Gero isn't a Ten. He's extremely capable, a man who created sources of infinite energy. So when he works hard, when he pours his everything into his work, he gets results. Even then, he couldn't make models that strong without sacrificing control or relying on the infinite energy reactors, as seen in the weaker 19 and 20.
Yes, Goku works very hard, and that carried him pretty far, but even despite all of his hard work, it was only the fulfillment of a legend that allowed him to surpass Frieza. Despite all his incredible, downright unreasonable gains throughout the franchise - Goku has been observed to grow at incredible rates consistently throughout the series - all of that paled in comparison to the sheer, all-consuming horror that is Frieza. With all of his training, the greatest multiplier he could perform, the Kaioken x20, only took him high enough to rival 50% of Frieza's power. Even his colossal Genki-Dama just wasn't good enough to kill Half-Strength Frieza.
Frieza is an unholy terror that completely shattered the mold of "Work hard, surpass bad guy" and required a miracle to overcome even for Goku himself. That Dr. Gero could not only surpass Frieza but actually surpass him so hard that he has to substantially tone down the powers of his inventions not once but twice to create results that still make Frieza look harmless in comparison is just ludicrous.
It's like if Bulma built a robot that could punch out Majin Buu.
Oh, I don't think his hair color is inconsistent or anything; I just bring it up because it's a tick on the Mary Sue chart, and that's just what Trunks struck me as with his introduction. If Chi Chi had been blond, Gohan might not have had black hair either. It makes sense in-continuity that he has weird hair, but it's still striking in light of all the other parts of his introduction that he shows up out of nowhere with weird hair.
Like I said, Trunks made a bad first impression, and didn't get much better afterward, except when interacting with his parents. He did have some nice moments for both Bulma and Vegeta - although in the latter case, I can't help but think that the most interesting thing Trunks ever did in the story was die, which isn't speaking well of his character at all.
This too. The whole thing was aimless and just felt like it lacked any real stakes. There was nothing to gain for the heroes, but there was also nothing to gain for the villains. Everybody was just fighting because some members of the group happened to be assholes.
In fact, if you took out Cell eating a bunch of humans right at the start, he'd be the goddamn hero of the piece; a time-traveling warrior from the future who came back in time to destroy the androids, increase his power, and spend the rest of his life having awesome battles with Goku and Vegeta? He's practically Trunks. Welcome to the crew, Cell! I'm sure you'll come in really handy when we all fight Majin Buu in seven years!
Cell really had to work hard to find excuses why he should be considered the villain in a story that features the likes of Vegeta and Piccolo on the protagonist side, because his actual goals and motivations didn't cut it.
edited 8th Sep '14 1:32:02 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Okay, Tobias, I gotta be real here... you taking things way out of context in the whole Android/Cell arc argument. You really need to remember that Dragon Ball, at heart, is and always will be Wuxia, granted an exaggerated version, but Wuxia none the less. As much as the Android and Cell arcs may seem confusing from a contextual standpoint and random as far as the plot goes, you could honestly say that for every arc in Dragon Ball. Arcs begin with not much foreshadowing but does that stop it from being entertaining? Not in my opinion.
And you have to remember, Android 17 & 18 and Cell originally weren't meant to even exist
, they were thrown at the last minute due to Toriyama's editors suggesting that the villains were changed. And this suggestion was made constantly and it lead to a lot of retconning taking place and making the plot seem more random and contrived, which unfortunately, is inevitable the case when your written into a corner.
And this is coming from a guy who hates the Android and Cell arcs for the sheer stupidity that was displayed by the heroes and villains in the arcs on a constant basis, but I'll be the first the say that those arcs provided most of the iconic moments the franchise is known for. And I'm damn happy and proud of that!
I am entirely aware that the Cell Saga was a clusterf*ck of sudden plot changes brought on by an attempt to appease a former editor whose opinion Toriyama still valued even after he was no longer his editor, but who just was not happy with anything the story did. I consider that to be the main reason why the arc is an aimless, wandering mess.
But it's still an aimless, wandering mess. People keep saying it gave the series all of its iconic and memorable moments, and I genuinely don't understand this. I mean, it had a couple good parts in the protagonists' interactions with each other, sure, but overall it just seems forgettable to me in comparison to the rest of the series.
Like, was Piccolo's fight with 17 really that spectacular? They tussle for a bit and then Cell eats 17. What makes it any different from any other fight scene?
edited 9th Sep '14 3:05:03 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm not exclusively taking about Piccolo fight with #17, I'm taking about Vegeta's Final Flash, Trunks revealing he was a Super Saiyan and owning Freeza and King Cold, Goku's battle with Cell, Vegeta finally going through some character development, Android 16 going out like a badass, Gohan becoming the strongest in the universe and saving the day in the longest beam clash in anime and Trunks finding peace in his timeline in the most badass fashion ever. Those are the iconic moment I'm talking about.
They may not seem substantial to you but when people talk about the most epic moments from Dragon Ball Z they usually cite the Android and Cell arcs the most... and I can't blame them.
edited 9th Sep '14 3:24:54 PM by FireShadow
...a flashy energy attack that failed to accomplish anything is considered one of the most iconic moments of all time? The Galick Gun/Kamehameha Beam Struggle was just as flashy and featured a Crowning Moment Of Awesome for Goku managing to withstand Kaioken x4 for a brief moment to overcome it. Cell, by contrast, just healed, shrugged it off, and went on like nothing happened.
That was utterly anticlimactic waste of a new villain and opportunity for plot development, just for the sake of a sudden new protagonist to establish that he's better than everyone and demand we all start listening to his new plot idea instead.
...anything in particular about it? I mean, Goku teleporting his Kamehameha was cool, I'll give it that.
Fair. His sudden attempted rampage over Trunks's death was about on par with his crying, begging swallowing of his pride as he pleaded with Goku that Frieza must die by a Saiyan's hand, letting go of his egotistical showboating and revealing that yes, he does care about his people and their tragedy after all.
Like a badass? He was brutally murdered to inspire Gohan to transform. He went out like Krillin, only without the amazing fight that forced all the protagonists to work together to overcome the insanely powerful villain that no one of them could stand against beforehand.
Gohan did it at the end of a contest to see who can raise their power level higher via bullshit the hardest. Goku did it at the end of a puzzle fight that, yes, ended in a power level contest, but featured much more complexity in the fight than simply comparing which fighter's energy dick is bigger.
Yeah, I just don't see it. Most of these moments aren't any better than anything else in the series, and many of them feel like downgrades.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.No. That's not the point. The reason it's an iconic scene is because it epitomizes just how much series escalated at that, irregardless of the technique being successfully or not. I mean, did you see the aftermath of the attack? It's insane.
What? Freeza already had the longest arc in the show at that point and they had already gone into great detail of what sort business Freeza runs. What difference would have King Cold made, other than, "I'm Freeza's dad and business consultant"?
The fight is just spectacular to watch from beginning to end. Even more so in the manga.
He did not go out like Krillin. #16 damn well knew if he died he wasn't coming back and sort of repair were out of the question since there wasn't nothing more than his head left. And he though what better way to die then to die inspiring the you to achieve and unachievable and protect what they love the most.
How is it bullshit? It was already established that Gohan was waaaaayy stronger than Cell as a Super Saiyan 2 even after Cell received a Zenkai and Gohan's power level dipped due to breaking him arm saving Vegeta. He was just holding back because he very low self esteem and self confidence. Something #16, Piccolo and Goku pointed out.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. As much as I loathe the plot of the Android and Cell arcs, with the exclusion of Future Trunks' story, which I personally see as the golden nugget stuck in the cow pie that was the Android and Cell arcs, the sheer entertainment factor the arcs provides is immeasurable. It's like a Michael Bay movie, just turn off your brain and enjoy the fireworks.
edited 9th Sep '14 9:40:08 PM by FireShadow
It's difficult to describe, but... I barely remember Kaioken x4. Sure, I know it happened, but picturing it, remember the music, the yells, the Narm Charm of the dub? Nah. The Final Flash scene was a lot louder, and drawn out. Cell's initial reaction made it even more priceless.
Also, Vegeta went on to manhandle Goku, Gohan, Krillin, and Yamcha after that Kaiokenx4 failed - at least, that's what the abridged version is telling me.
edited 9th Sep '14 8:13:32 PM by FOFD
Yamcha was already the deads at that point.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Well, Cell acts like it ain't no thing later, but judging by the look on his face at the time, if Vegeta's aim were a little better, it might have been able to do more....
Until we find out he can regenerate even if his head is gone. Then again, sometimes, even when you know you'll be ok, you can't help but be a bit surprised at something. He reacted the same way with the Teleport-Kamehameha.
One Strip! One Strip!I see. Cell freaking out might been because he thought Vegeta might really hit him full on with it and destroy the earth.
One Strip! One Strip!

I honestly couldn't about the the escalations of the power levels or the non existent motivations of most the villains and the heroes in the Android and Cell Arc, despite my personal issues with being essential an Idiot Plot, it provided many of the most iconic moments ever in the franchise: Trunks doing...anything, Vegeta owning Android 20, Piccolo & #17 battle, Vegeta's Final Flash, Goku and Cell putting on the fight of a lifetime, Android 16's Dying Moment of Awesome, Gohan becoming a Super Saiyan 2, the epic Kamehameha duel and Vegeta actually contributing to saving the world.
Shit on the Android and Cell arcs all you want but they were the most Crazy Awesome arcs Dragon Ball ever had.
edited 7th Sep '14 3:08:13 PM by FireShadow