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He literally responds to 'your power has fallen' to 'no matter it's STILL higher than yours'. Yes, he is taking his injured state into account, even if he can't tell his exact number.
Before Vegeta could sense ki, he could still tell how his injuries impacted his performance during his fight with Goku's group - he even says that if he went injured, he could take 1 or 2 guys like Oozaru Gohan - which matches up perfectly with the official battle powers.
Vegeta got owned because he couldn't keep up the barrage. Cell was unable to move while it was going on, so yeah, it was the most effective thing Vegeta could do given the massive power difference.
@ randomness4: Well Caulifla is his Distaff Counterpart
Actually, a good question is what did Dr Gero create Cell for anyway? Cell comes to believe it's to kill everyone, but he's really not a reliable source and there's no canonical evidence Dr Gero wants to destroy the world. Did he just want to make the pinnacle of life?
Cell was probably designed to be part of Gero's original revenge scheme - Cell mentions that Gero abandoned the project when it was taking too long, and delegated it to his computer.
So he probably hoped he'd be able to create Cell without delegating, and when that didn't pan out he didn't want to give up completely but wouldn't put off his revenge for it.
Its why I respect Gero.
He truly despised Goku & was willing to commit all sorts of atrocity's all to achieve his vengeance so he went all out.
In the end he single-handily created one of the most abominable beings in the entire multiverse as a spiteful final fuck you to life in general & succeeded in killing the man he so desperately wanted to die.
He deserves props really.
edited 16th Feb '18 5:37:25 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Goku was then revived years later.
Also, if you take Trunks into account, then his revenge was totally pointless since Goku died before he even finished his revenge.
One Strip! One Strip!@Saiga: I figure that's probably a translation quirk, since I checked the Kai Dub, Kai Sub, and Z Sub, and nothing like that is implied in any other adaption of the scene.
A scene where Vegeta shoots a bunch of blasts, it looks like it worked, only for it to be revealed that it did nothing followed by Vegeta quickly getting owned is not the scene to pick when you want to talk about how Ki spamming in the manga worked differently than the dozen identical scenes the anime added.
Conversely, he doesn't seem to care about the Earth or its inhabitants very much. Just look at his introductory scene.
Man, looking back, 19 and 20 were extraordinarily unsettling in their first appearance and maintained that menace until the fight between Goku and 19 started.
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Then Vegeta's actions and dialogue wouldn't make sense. Uses dirty tactics and and remarks on their effectiveness - then reveals he's stronger than before - then trades blows with Zarbon until he gets in a hit, instead of just straight up overpowering the weakened Zarbon.
And you're blatantly misinterpreting what I said about Vegeta's use on Cell. The fact that he got owned is not a fault of the blasts, it just shows how much Cell is stronger than him. The fact that he's so much weaker than Cell makes the ki blasts' ability to pin him down more effective than anything else he could have done, and is definitely not a case of the ki blasts being 'useless'. I didn't even bring up comparisons to the anime.
As for comparisons to the anime, the anime examples generally go with the ki blasts having literally no impact on the fight (as they're filler) so they don't match Vegeta's use against Cell at all.
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The end result isn't that different, but that's because of the situation. Vegeta's not strong enough to take advantage of it and they don't have anything to stall for (unlike the later Genki Dama vs Boo example).
But the fact that they can put pressure on someone with as much as a power advantage as SPC shows that they're absolutely not weak. Against a fairer opponent, it'd be even more effective. Or if Gohan had just charged up a Kamehameha while Cell was pinned, that'd be helpful.
What I'm trying to say is: it's not a good example of "this technique is worthless" if it requires you being more than twice as powerful to be able to endure it while being completely unable to move through it.
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I've already pointed out the examples and Vegeta doesn't even use the move that often. I think you're projecting onto him.
edited 16th Feb '18 6:51:12 PM by Saiga
Wait. Did that Vegeta fires a bunch of ki blasts at Perfect Cell happen in the manga as well? W As it different from how it went in the anime? Cause...I can't really picture anything Vegeta could do—barring the Final Flash, which could have killed Cell if not for Vegeta not being able to get all of it, and Cell's (yet revealed) central regeneration node—actually pinning Cell down.
...then again, if Tien can do it with a fucking Kikohou, then who's to say really?
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But the end result is that it didn't accomplish anything but stalling, so I don't get how it's "useful" in this case.
If somebody says "beam spams accomplishes nothing" and cites a situation where it literally accomplished nothing, I don't think they're wrong in that assumption.
Yea, it's not completely worthless sure, but it hasn't exactly been an effective move a lot of the time either when it's used outside of a few, very specific instances.
edited 16th Feb '18 7:15:44 PM by BlackYakuzu94
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Manga version of Super Perfect Cell, when Vegeta loses his shit over Trunks dying.
It's not that it's useful in that case, it just a good way of measuring how powerful the attack is to achieve that.
And it would DEFINITELY be inaccurate to use it to argue the attack is ineffective, because that ignores the massive power difference in play.
edited 16th Feb '18 7:17:22 PM by Saiga
That wouldn't explain his reaction or the look on his face as he's getting pelted. They can't even SEE him through the dust.
Also, Yakuzu, your last point is just wrong. The move simply isn't used often period, meaning that it is effective more often than it is not when it gets used.
edited 16th Feb '18 7:20:47 PM by Saiga

Zarbon relies on scouters to know power. He's obviously saying "My number is higher than yours so I should win!", not "My number is higher than yours even after getting injured, which I have no way to tell".
That was not a good showing considering how Vegeta got owned almost immediately.
edited 16th Feb '18 5:20:51 PM by Moth13