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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78551: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:36:49 AM

I'd like to cut out the "Evildoer" term.

That word makes the whole thing appear more immature & lazy.

I mean the guy whoever he was was a fucking murderer, he deserves to be called a monster if only to generate some actual gravitas.

edited 13th Feb '18 2:37:08 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78552: Feb 13th 2018 at 2:38:27 AM

Jiren's backstory in the manga is probably going to follow the same general beats as in the anime: his parents die to bad guy, Jiren trains, master and new allies die to same bad guy, Jiren is abandoned by the remainder of his allies and is alone, Jiren joins the Pride Troopers. The lesson Jiren takes away from this is probably going to be different, but I'd be surprised if his actual backstory was majorly different between mediums.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#78553: Feb 13th 2018 at 3:14:12 AM

Like Reality Unless Noted plays a huge part. Just because something (like war) isn't depicted in the series doesn't mean it never happens.

Except humanity seems to be united under a single government… although we don't know how recent that is the in-universe history, admittedly.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78554: Feb 13th 2018 at 3:21:39 AM

Also, Earth is just one planet. That isn't even from the same universe as Zamasu.

I think you're taking 'human' too literally, Zamasu hates all mortals and Earth isn't enough to judge the rest of the universe.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78555: Feb 13th 2018 at 3:26:54 AM

Yeah I'm gonna go with they really condensed Zamasu's issues with mortals as a whole to just one planet for time constraints.

Would have been cool if we got a montage of him witnessing various worlds fall to desolation & devastation due to their own flaws over the countless millennia he's been as a Kai.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78556: Feb 13th 2018 at 5:33:12 AM

Speaking of the manga, is Zamasu's cabin in it? I have no idea why, but seeing Trunks blow it up at the end of the arc in the anime made me laugh my ass off.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78557: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:25:49 AM

Trunks is a petty shit like that

He also blew up Freeza's ship even though everyone was already dead. Damnit, that ship could have advanced Earth's technology! Or at least been sweet to joyride in

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#78558: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:29:47 AM

But will it have alerted Coo....wait, he is not canon.

"Mai waifu."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78559: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:34:56 AM

Might've alerted Sorbet. Fat lot of good he could've done about it, but still.

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#78560: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:37:41 AM

Speaking of which, was it ever confirmed whether that Frost guy was really Freeza's counterpart or just from the same species?

(…I feel like that sentence doesn't English very well…)

edited 13th Feb '18 7:39:46 AM by Lyendith

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78561: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:39:36 AM

There were never any official "counterparts", that's not how the this universe set up works, as far as I'm aware.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78562: Feb 13th 2018 at 7:40:00 AM

Well they certainly treated him like he's Frieza's counterpart.

Even Vegeta said something along the lines of "No matter the universe Frieza can never be good."

Just different realms with some similar concepts, not something to the level of DC's 52 Multiverse.

edited 13th Feb '18 7:41:01 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78563: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:04:36 AM

He also blew up Freeza's ship even though everyone was already dead. Damnit, that ship could have advanced Earth's technology!

See, I know you're just joking, but I've said the same thing. Think what Bulma could have done with that tech. Earth needs ways to defend themselves against alien attacks that don't add up to super powerful karate bum does it for them.

It's not the first time either. Whenever any advanced super tech finds its way to earth, it's always destroyed by the end. I suspect Toriyama is purposely doing it to avoid Reed Richards Is Useless, and to force the plot to continue to rely on Goku.

Or at least been sweet to joyride in

There's also that. I bet Frieza's tech would have let them make even better spaceships.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#78564: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:14:41 AM

[up] Indeed. Reed Richards is Useless along with Puny Earthlings are a thing in Dragon Ball. sad

"Mai waifu."
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#78565: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:17:43 AM

Well, if you think about it, Earth already had the tech it needed to defend itself.

Dr. Gero, a human scientist, was able to create artificial beings capable of wiping the floor with the then-strongest being in the universe (discounting Beerus, Whis and Majin Buu, the latter of whom was locked away).

edited 13th Feb '18 8:19:51 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78566: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:28:05 AM

Yeah, and the Z Warriors destroyed all of that.

Well, 17 and 18 are still around, but there's no sign that Bulma has studied them to learn more about the process. That and the fact that she and her dad together were barely able to understand enough about 16 to repair him and remove the bomb.

Like I said, Toriyama is likely doing that on purpose.

Not that it would matter anyway; if they did do it, an enemy so powerful that such tech is useless (which already happened when Cell showed up, and then Buu, and then every other enemy in Super) would appear to kick their asses.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78567: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:39:43 AM

17 was able to train up to the realm of the gods, so maybe augmenting the other humans in a similar way would have similar results. I'm sure Krillin and Tenshinhan have trained harder than 17.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78568: Feb 13th 2018 at 8:43:19 AM

Maybe Future Bulma made her time machine with tech from Frieza's ship.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78569: Feb 13th 2018 at 9:56:28 AM

See, I know you're just joking, but I've said the same thing.

I was being sincere. Think how... THE POD could improve the medical field! Spandexy armor (although Bulma recreates those anyway based on Vegeta's stanky old ones)! Scouters! Space skype!

You're an asshole, Trunks.

And yeah, Dr Gero is above that on the technology tree but he didn't exactly share any of his innovations. And was maybe planning on destroying Earth? Cell is not a ringing endorsement in his favor.

edited 13th Feb '18 9:57:28 AM by Bocaj

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78570: Feb 13th 2018 at 9:58:22 AM

But.... Martial artists can do anything better than technology - Space Travel? Instant Transmission! THE POD? Senzu beans! Scouters? Inaccurate compared to ki sense, and so on.

edited 13th Feb '18 9:58:40 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78571: Feb 13th 2018 at 9:59:14 AM

Senzu beans don't help the majority of the population.

There's barely enough to go around for the main cast sometimes.

Scouters could be adapted to find people under rubble and such. Unless you want to train first responders to sense ki. Which would probably take longer.

And does anyone in the main cast outside of Goku ever learn Instant Transmission? And if not, why he so rude?

edited 13th Feb '18 10:00:19 AM by Bocaj

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#78572: Feb 13th 2018 at 10:35:06 AM

[up][up]

Not in robotics or computer science. I'd like to see Goku or Vegeta try to build an android.

Don't forget the time machine....

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#78573: Feb 13th 2018 at 10:46:25 AM

So I;m rewatching the original series, and goddamn. Roshi fight against Tien is so badass.

Like seriously.

edited 13th Feb '18 10:50:00 AM by GarnetRebeller96

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78574: Feb 13th 2018 at 10:48:46 AM

And does anyone in the main cast outside of Goku ever learn Instant Transmission? And if not, why he so rude?

There's never been any sign that anyone else has tried to learn it or asked Goku to teach it to them. We've had long discussions on how no one tries to learn any of the still useful techniques from each other, and Instant Transmission is one of them.

Then again, it seems like it's not so easy to use it in combat (barring the Instant Kamehameha) and also if we take the events of the Tournament into account, a skilled warrior can figure it out and anticipate where the other dude is gonna appear, so it may not be so great if you overuse it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#78575: Feb 13th 2018 at 11:26:51 AM

I'm just thinking of all the times when there's tension if person will get to place in time

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