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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#78351: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:53:42 PM

[up]

I suspected something similar myself.

17 has been out of the game for a long time so they perhaps wanted to get a lot of mileage out of him.

I don't expect people to like that, but I could see that being the reason.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78352: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:55:29 PM

The problem is exacerbated by this being the final arc. It's just sad that a big portion of the arc, especially leading into the finale, is deficated to a side character from several arcs ago intead of the main secondaries.

It'd be one thing if there was another arc later to return to a normal cast focus. But this is how Super ends: not with a bang, but a moan from 17 as he climaxes

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78353: Feb 11th 2018 at 12:57:06 PM

But this is how Super ends: not with a bang, but a moan from 17 as he climaxes

We officially have the best quote this thread has generated.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78354: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:01:00 PM

[up] Ha indeed. [lol]

Okay I think we ascertain that Manga-Jiren & Anime-Jiren are completely different people with bare similarities. What I got from Jiren this episode is that he's a revenge driven power-hungry asshole who cares nothing for saving people.

He really is just some random asshole the Pride Troopers happened to pick up. I think Topp is just being nice when he called him his "sworn friend".

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78355: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:21:06 PM

The problem is exacerbated by this being the final arc. It's just sad that a big portion of the arc, especially leading into the finale, is deficated to a side character from several arcs ago intead of the main secondaries.

Eh, I wouldn't expect much from those guys anyway. Well, except normally Vegeta wouldn't be doing dick either, but he's been wanked a bit as well.

It'd be one thing if there was another arc later to return to a normal cast focus. But this is how Super ends: not with a bang, but a moan from 17 as he climaxes

As funny as that is, I don't think it's gonna help inspire more people to come to this thread.

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#78356: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:21:21 PM

Maybe Jiren is like Goku Black: too different characters all together in both mediums. Is only that Toei didn't know how to handle him and put their effort in Caulifla.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#78357: Feb 11th 2018 at 1:23:10 PM

Right. I totally forgot the real reason I came to the thread:

Add in the Ki landmines, and Goku has three attacks that he came up with on his own. You know, that's actually not that different from everyone else. Three to four special techniques is the bare minimum isn't it?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#78358: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:36:49 PM

Apparently, in spoilers for next episode Vegeta hears Bulma's voice when he's on the verge of unconsciousness. From an in-universe perspective, this seems repetitive. From an out-of-universe perspective, this could be the biggest Tear Jerker in the whole of the Dragon Ball franchise.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#78359: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:41:33 PM

So since we already had an episode where Vegeta got to do the Final Flash he did on Cell and the Final Explosion/Atonement he did on Buu, what old scene are they going to reanimate the decomposing corpse of for his next episode? The savage beating he got from Frieza? The Final Crash he did on Recoome?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#78360: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:42:24 PM

Obviously he'll admire Jiren's ability to die.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78361: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:43:57 PM

[up][up] I'm gonna go with the beating by Kid Buu.

Ya know the one where he actually did held the line as Goku charged up a Spirit Bomb & Vegeta like a badass back then never backed down to the point a barely sentient eldritch abomination for the first time ever felt fear in front of his awe-inspiring determination.

Difference here of course is its not gonna be half as badass or inspiring. Just tiring.

edited 11th Feb '18 2:44:43 PM by slimcoder

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
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#78362: Feb 11th 2018 at 2:55:52 PM

I don't care what they do, so as long I'm enjoying the episodes that's good enough.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78363: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:01:11 PM

Are you enjoying the episodes?

Man, this episode really highlighted how little personal connection anybody has with Jiren as an antagonist. And how boring this whole affair has become. It took until now for things to actually get personal with him, and it wasn't even with Goku lol.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78364: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:07:39 PM

@Pushover, regarding your spoilers, who can something like that be repetitive in Universe? It's not like Vegeta is telling anyone he's thinking about those things, and it's not like him thinking about his wife doesn't make sense.

Those things don't feel repetitive just because they happen more than more than once, they feel repetitive because the writers are clearly trying to recreate emotion without understanding why something was actually emotional in the first place.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#78365: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:16:24 PM

Yeah, maybe. Depends on what the context is, I guess. If Vegeta hallucinates Bulma telling him to get up and keep fighting, and he does and makes a speech about how he will never give up, it'll be repetitive. If Vegeta hallucinates Bulma telling him that it's okay to give up and leave it to Goku and come home to his family, then it'll be heartbreaking. It'll be heartbreaking for the audience either way, what with Hiromi Tsuru's passing.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#78366: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:19:53 PM

Are you enjoying the episodes?

Yes, I have been. It's not as hard as this thread makes it out to be either.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78367: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:21:53 PM

[up] It is if you want better.

If I was content with mediocrity I'd think Black Clover was an amazing show.

[up][up] Ya know I would actually like that. Vegeta actually giving up would be rather sad.

edited 11th Feb '18 3:22:21 PM by slimcoder

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#78368: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:21:57 PM

[up][up]Subjective, but more power to you if you enjoy it.

edited 11th Feb '18 3:22:30 PM by Ikedatakeshi

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#78369: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:22:27 PM

You mean it's not as easy as this thread makes it out to be?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78370: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:25:48 PM

It's not like people choose what does or doesn't bother them. I think there's a distinction to be made between "I see why this might be an issue, but it doesn't bother me" and "This doesn't bother me, so there's no issue."

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#78371: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:25:49 PM

Could've fooled me in the last 8 pages on what everyone was talking about.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78372: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:29:50 PM

[up][up]There's very much a distinction, the latter tends to pop up...at least that ends up being the impression from the wording.

It's very noticeable.

edited 11th Feb '18 3:30:54 PM by randomness4

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#78374: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:31:45 PM

I'm pretty sure it's always suppose to be the former...

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78375: Feb 11th 2018 at 3:34:18 PM

Yes, I have been. It's not as hard as this thread makes it out to be either.

Or maybe...and this is just a thought.

Maybe...people, have different tastes and preferences on what they consider good and enjoyable and that sometimes, what someone finds good, another person might not feel the same way.

It's almost like...we're human or something like that.

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