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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78252: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:28:15 PM

Oh, they should do "less" than that.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78253: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:28:31 PM

Broly's backstory is still worse than Jiren's, actually. But his fights were much prettier to look at. I hate Jiren more because he's canon, while for Broly the only reason we got more appearances from him were his fanboys and they're all basically non-canon.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:29:20 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78254: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:28:36 PM

The sad part, there actually ARE some genuinely cool moments. The UI Kamahameha against Kefla is still the single best moment of the entire arc. So why the fuck is everything else so goddamn terrible?

The finale is probably going to have the best animation in the series, but I won't care because I've long stopped caring about if Goku beats Jiren or not. I just want this to end.

[up] No its fucking not, I cannot fathom how you can think Jiren's backstory is interesting in any way compared to Broly's. Like, Broly's is stupid as fuck, yea but it's SOMETHING.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:29:22 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78255: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:29:33 PM

Well the peanut gallery certainly isn't helping.

I was honestly face-palming when Belmoud began explaining his backstory cause of the fact they are on a fucking timer still.

They really couldn't figure out a better way to organically put in Jiren's origin?

[up] Its cause the writers suuuuuuuuuuck so much at their jobs.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:30:21 PM by slimcoder

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#78256: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:30:08 PM

There are a lot of words you could use to describe Broly but "dull" is not one I would use in regards to his personality.

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78257: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:30:11 PM

[up][up][up] You could salvage Jiren's backstory. Broly's is stupid and makes no sense.

[up] He burns with generic rage in Dragonball Z. He does absolutely nothing to stand out from the pack.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:30:56 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78258: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:31:38 PM

[up] Yeah no Broly you can salvage just the same.

Also if he was generic then he wouldn't be so remembered.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#78259: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:31:54 PM

What about Jiren's backstory is salvageable? It's so fucking barebones and lacking that anything more would be an entirely different character.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#78260: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:32:07 PM

Why would they put his backstory "in" the tournament? Not before the fighting start or after he loses?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78261: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:34:04 PM

Jiren's backstory you could conceivably do a focus episode on and have it be entertaining with cute liddle Jiren and having him gather a group of true companions only for them to be brutally killed off.

It also, while being exceedingly dull and generic at least vaguely makes sense, Broly's does not.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:34:41 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78262: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:36:01 PM

The thing that gets me about Jiren's backstory is that it doesn't even seem like they were trying. An "evil-doer" came around and just randomly killed his parents, and then sometime later this same random "evil-doer" kills his friends and teacher...just because, I guess. Like, damn.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#78263: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:38:20 PM

Broly's origin makes sense, the movie just focused on the wrong parts.

A child born with mutant levels of ultimate power was almost killed as baby & then spent most of his life under the control of his father, all this combined with his Saiyan instincts drove him insane. That makes sense.

[up] All so fucking lazy with none of the charisma to carry it.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:38:58 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78264: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:40:00 PM

I guess you could argue that. It's just the whole "KAKAROTTTTT" thing that doesn't really click. At all.

Not only are they trying to get us to buy a baby crying as psychological trauma they also have Goku's name as the trigger word even though - assuming that Paragus even remembered it - Broly shouldn't react to it like that. He's never had the name shouted at him, why does it hold such significance?

edited 10th Feb '18 10:41:40 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#78265: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:41:08 PM

I mean, they can try to make this "evil-doer" someone interesting or relevant in future arcs, but considering Super is ending and their track record, I doubt it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#78266: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:44:05 PM

[up][up] Like I said, Broly's backstory is still fucking stupid. We're just arguing that despite that, it's still more interesting than Jiren's.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#78267: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:45:15 PM

Gotta agree with Sigil on MHA. Todoroki was definitely set up as the big cheese of the sports festival. All that quibbling over specific word choice is just kind of pedantic.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78268: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:48:08 PM

When they use specific words, that don't apply, no, it isn't pedantry.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#78269: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:49:26 PM

That's why I used antagonist and not villain because antagonist doesn't actually mean evil. Just an opposing force - which he is. He's the obstacle to Deku in that tournament.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:49:52 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#78270: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:49:40 PM

He burns with generic rage in Dragonball Z. He does absolutely nothing to stand out from the pack.

Rage is at least an emotion.

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78271: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:50:22 PM

Yes, but it doesn't make him not dull. He's not as dull as Jiren though, I'll give him that.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#78272: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:51:09 PM

[up][up][up] And it still doesn't fit.

I have to agree that Broly's backstory is still better than Jiren's. Mostly because it's not JUST the Kakarot thing, which is dumb, but the whole 'tried to kill him as a baby' stuff which is interesting.

Also I wouldn't call Broly's rage 'generic'. Hardly anyone can rage as hard and insanely as that guy.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:51:40 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#78273: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:51:12 PM

[up]X4 Like everyone else. Defeating Todoroki is never Deku's primary motivation or goal. Excluding their actual match, of course.

Todorki is a very big part of that arc, but not because he's opposing Deku.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:52:13 PM by LSBK

AngryRabbit Pessimism! from the internet Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Pessimism!
#78274: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:52:35 PM

Admittedly during Jiren's backstory, I was waiting for the 'twist'. Like, his teacher was the bad guy or something.

As it is, it's pretty meh. I'd rather 17 get his cruise, or Oolong get some panties.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:53:11 PM by AngryRabbit

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#78275: Feb 10th 2018 at 10:53:12 PM

He's the one set up as the primary obstacle, since he's clearly the strongest and even has a bit before the third event where he tells Deku his backstory and has before the tournament begins a moment which is basically him marking Deku as the man he's really going up against. Either way, he's the big fight.

Shinsou is set up in a similar way but more low-key because he serves as the secondary opponent in the arc.

edited 10th Feb '18 10:53:46 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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