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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#77851: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:13:08 AM

Actually for years I assumed that cyborgs like 17 and 18 couldn't get stronger. Because. Cyborg. But apparently 17 was able to keep up leg day even while ranging the shit out of a park. And there's probably no gravity or hyperbolic time chamber out in the park so. Good job?

I think it's best we ignore Super for this discussion [lol]

but yeah i thought that way too for a while. and all they had to do was say "oh, my infinite energy generator kept making energy and i wasn't using it, so it kept storing up inside me making me more and more powerful." instead of the nonsense they used for somehow being able to keep up with God level stuff.

edited 8th Feb '18 10:14:04 AM by EpicBleye

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#77852: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:16:40 AM

I've also wondered for a while if Cell got infinite energy by absorbing the androids. Or perhaps double infinite.

edited 8th Feb '18 10:16:58 AM by Bocaj

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#77853: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:18:59 AM

Adding new roles just for the sake of keeping characters relevant usually feels incredibly forced, which is exactly what Super is doing.

I'd argue Vegeta is a good example of that. They've billed him as the second main character of the overall franchise, but he's still doing the same thing he's always doing and differences are token at Best most of the time.

And 18 being sidelined just means Toriyama had no further use for her, nor did he feel the need to have more female fighters in general. It's sad to say, but most Shonen authors really don't try to write females beyond a supporting role while the focus is primarily on the males. Toriyama is no different.

The fact 18 beat a major character like Vegeta is remarkable in itself.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#77854: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:24:43 AM

[up][up]I always figured that the infinite energy is precisely why Cell needs to absorb them.

edited 8th Feb '18 10:25:17 AM by LordVatek

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#77855: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:49:35 AM

I was never under the impression that Piccolo after fusing with Kami was immensely stronger than the Super Saiyans. He was significantly stronger, sure, but I always thought the gap between them in terms of Power Levels was more 1.5 times or so stronger rather than something like 4 times stronger.

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#77856: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:53:55 AM

[up] Agreed, I got the idea that he was stronger, since he puts out a much better performance than SSJ Vegeta did against an android, but not like, he makes them obsolete stronger.

edited 8th Feb '18 10:54:31 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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#77857: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:53:56 AM

I'm kinda curious how people here would rank the three arcs of Super.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77858: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:55:36 AM

Best by far is U6 tournament. It's ranking Universe Survival and Goku Black that's going to be difficult. We shall have to wait for the end of the former, I think.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#77859: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:56:50 AM

Universe 6 was objectively the best. TOP follows because UI was actually pretty hype even if nothing else was good. Goku Black is last because it had nothing good except Goku Black.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77860: Feb 8th 2018 at 10:59:48 AM

I haven't seen most of the Goku Black stuff yet and the TOP isn't over so I'll reserve total judgement on that.

The tournament with Universe 6 was pretty fun, even if it was still unfortunate that Buu didn't actually do anything.

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#77861: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:12:04 AM

Of the 3 I think the Champa arc is the best. I consider the Goku Black arc better than the Universal Survivor Saga because it would take the least amount of work to fix.

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#77862: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:13:38 AM

Now that the dub has finally reached it, I might reevaluate my opinion on the Goku Black arc, but I remember being turned off by it's pacing when it first aired.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77863: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:16:33 AM

I think the Goku Black arc is sabotaged by all the terrible, terrible time travel.

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#77864: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:18:04 AM

i agree completely

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77865: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:20:09 AM

Yeah, they go to the past way too many times.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#77866: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:21:05 AM

Goku Black arc was pretty good imo. I don't find it too hard to not think about the deeper implications of time travel.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#77867: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:22:03 AM

Also, they missed a great opportunity at the end to just... have Future Trunks join the main timeline. Like, if you're going to have that terrible, terrible ending, just have him hop in the main team. I know we're stuffed with Saiyans, but let's face it, very few people are going to complain about FT - he's very unique and has a great backstory.

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#77868: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:22:33 AM

TOP follows because UI was actually pretty hype even if nothing else was good.

That's... really not fair, in my opinion. If nothing else, the TOP arc gave us a lot of pretty cool fight scenes (Jiren vs. Goku obviously, but also Dyspo vs. Hit, Dyspo vs. Freeza and Gohan, Goku vs. Kefla, Roshi vs. Ganos, U7 vs. U3, Gohan vs. Obuni)

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#77869: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:23:30 AM

How is is unfair? People are allowed to think there's not much good to that particular arc.

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#77870: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:24:43 AM

re: goku black arc: even disregarding the time travel (Which is a pretty major issue, regardless if you want to think about it or not) the arc is filled with people holding the Idiot Ball and really poor pacing. they do the same thing like three times before the plot goes anywhere (they go to the future, get their butt kicked, go back. go to the future, get their butt kicked, go back...). also literally no explanation as for why Goku Black keeps getting more and more powerful each time. they say that he keeps getting more powerful sure, but there's no reason why he keeps getting more powerful. and also he pulls out some weird ass powers out of nowhere.

and then it ends with all of the characters' actions meaning nothing because trunk's timeline gets destroyed anyway. yay.

bad saga.

edited 8th Feb '18 11:27:23 AM by EpicBleye

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#77871: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:26:08 AM

How is is unfair? People are allowed to think there's not much good to that particular arc.

Yes, they're allowed to think that, and I'm allowed to disagree. I said it's not fair in my opinion.

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#77872: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:26:15 AM

18 vs Ribrianne, Buu vs Basil, Gohan vs Lavanda, Vegeta vs Toppo, Krillin vs Goku, Gohan vs Goku, 17 vs Goku, Vegeta and Roshi vs Magetta and Frost, Cabba vs Monna, Hit vs Jiren, Gohan and Piccolo vs Saonel and Pirina, this arc has been chock-full of awesome battles.

edited 8th Feb '18 11:27:46 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#77873: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:28:53 AM

eh you're right. i'm not giving TOP enough credit. on the other hand we have shit like rape jokes and super inconsistent power levels and no one getting tired ever despite saying how tired they are. and jiren, despite being the main antagonist, doing nothing. so.

[up]all those fights you listed were, like, really bad or mediocre or unmemorable imo, sans Buu vs Basil and only because it's the only time we've seen Buu fight in a LONG while.

edited 8th Feb '18 11:29:20 AM by EpicBleye

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#77874: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:30:09 AM

The arcs in general are adequete but they still don't compare to Z.

The main thing they have is modern animation.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#77875: Feb 8th 2018 at 11:30:51 AM

Gohan vs Lavander was better than Buu vs Basil imo.


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