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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77801: Feb 7th 2018 at 6:48:51 PM

I do actually agree that Dragon Ball's plotting problems only really start showing up in later arcs. Otherwise, it's serviceable for the most part.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77802: Feb 7th 2018 at 6:53:15 PM

It only starts becoming problematic in the Buu Saga really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77805: Feb 7th 2018 at 7:19:56 PM

It is.

Though honestly, I don't even know why 18 being weaker than 17 needed to be a thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77806: Feb 7th 2018 at 7:23:19 PM

Plague of Gripes is there calling sexism and that's...... I was gonna say oddly amusing but I don't know now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77807: Feb 7th 2018 at 7:28:19 PM

It strikes me that the difference is small enough to be negligible in an actual fight.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77808: Feb 7th 2018 at 7:50:09 PM

I always figured the difference between them was pretty narrow, at least until Super where 17 is low-mid Blue tier and 18 is... actually I have no idea how strong 18 is supposed to be in Super, beyond "stronger than base Goku" and "weaker than 17", which is a pretty fucking gigantic gap.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77809: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:09:37 PM

Well, 17 fought evenly with fused Piccolo who was way above the Vegeta that 18 fought, and while she was stronger, she wasn't overwhelmingly so.

So I'd imagine that the gap would be fairly significant.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77810: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:16:52 PM

Godtier Piccolo didn't amount to much but it brought Dende back so that's neat

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77811: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:18:32 PM

The dragon balls going inert because they fused back into one always seemed weird to me.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77812: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:28:52 PM

I think it was because Piccolo is a Warrior clan Namekian and he was the base. If Piccolo had fused into Kami, the Dragon Balls might've stayed, but the resulting fusion probably wouldn't have been strong enough to deal with any of the present threats, rendering the whole plan moot.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77813: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:30:32 PM

Howwas the nameless namekian able to split into both classes anyway? Or was only jr a warrior

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77814: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:32:17 PM

That's because Kami made them after the fusion.

So when they re-fused, the creator no longer existed and they went dormant became inert.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77815: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:33:11 PM

Only Jr was a Warrior. That's why he was so much stronger than the Demon King, who was Dragon. Current Piccolo is either Warrior or some weird combination of the two.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#77816: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:42:57 PM

What were Senior's ridiculously-weak-in-hindsight mutant freak sons classed as?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#77819: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:45:29 PM

[up]

Going by Dragonball Online? "Mutant" nameks.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77820: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:46:42 PM

His evilness mutated them.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77821: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:52:00 PM

Paladin?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#77822: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:32:53 PM

Well, 17 fought evenly with fused Piccolo who was way above the Vegeta that 18 fought, and while she was stronger, she wasn't overwhelmingly so.

So I'd imagine that the gap would be fairly significant.

16 said fused Piccolo had enough power to rival 17 and 18, so I doubt the gap was very big at all.

Though honestly, I don't even know why 18 being weaker than 17 needed to be a thing.

You know why.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77823: Feb 7th 2018 at 11:47:23 PM

No, actually, I doubt it's because of sexism. If it was, why would Toriyama explain it within the manga? He'd just have it there as a given.

I can easily see why 18 was made weaker - he wanted to use her first to fight Vegeta, and after that Piccolo needs to be hyped up so 17 is even stronger to better establish the gap between Piccolo and the Super Saiyans. It also fits with the foreshadowing of 16's strength, and the order of Gero making the uncontrolled Androids weaker until he succeeded with 19 and 20.

He's definitely unaware of the implications with making 18 weaker, but it's very easy to see the story reasons why 17 is stronger.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77824: Feb 7th 2018 at 11:50:05 PM

Do you mean he's aware? Because I doubt he's unaware that having the female in a male-female duo be the weaker one is typically sexist.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77825: Feb 7th 2018 at 11:53:23 PM

I do mean unaware. Because of cultural differences, and the fact that manga haven't had a great track record with female representation.

I highly doubt Toriyama deliberately made her weaker because she's a woman.


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