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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7751: Aug 15th 2014 at 5:28:51 PM

Yeah.

He was stupid, assholish, way too drunk on his own power, and arguably a whiny bitch.

Fortunately, he kept getting his ass kicked and knocked down a few pegs.

Then the Buu series came and he got a lot better.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7752: Aug 15th 2014 at 6:17:57 PM

Getting his ass kicked in the Android arc didn't help much though.

Really, it just made him worse.

edited 15th Aug '14 6:18:07 PM by Saiga

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#7753: Aug 15th 2014 at 8:04:39 PM

TFS makes it clear that he's still very much a villain in that time period. And for that, I'm very grateful, since the Fan Dumb usually portrays him as a Draco in Leather Pants even then.

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Blackyakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#7754: Aug 15th 2014 at 8:10:30 PM

The thing is, he still doesn't learn shit and still acts like he's hot shit.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#7755: Aug 15th 2014 at 8:14:02 PM

[up][up] Though they would be wrong to do so, seeing as Vegeta was more of an anti-hero at that point, since a) he's not killing large groups of people to get what he wants like he was on Namek, b) he's actually trying to protect the planet now, if only because it's his home now, which is best seen in how he aimed his Final Flash upwards to avoid destroying the Earth, something he wouldn't have even remotely cared about in the past, and c) the whole thing with Trunks dying shows that he at least has some compassion in him now, since he would have never reacted like that in the past. He's still a massive prick I'm not arguing on that, but he's still not as bad as he used to be.

edited 15th Aug '14 8:14:13 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#7756: Aug 15th 2014 at 8:25:03 PM

[up]They haven't gotten to the Final Flash or Trunks yet. They've only just introduced First Form Cell. So I wonder how they'll handle those moments...

But yeah, they really upped the "he's a complete asshole" factor.

edited 15th Aug '14 8:25:43 PM by BaffleBlend

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7757: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:06:57 PM

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Um.... he wasn't really fighting for Earth. He was fighting for his own ego (he wanted to be the one to kill Goku).

As for not aiming the Final Flash at Earth......he was kinda living there at the time. He didn't have much choice.

I mean, he kinda did the same thing way back when with his Galic / Garlic / whatever the fuck it's called Gun, but I'm gonna write that off as him being angry and crazy at the time, cause I'm not sure what he was gonna do once he blew up the planet he was on at the time.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#7758: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:13:17 PM

a) he's not killing large groups of people to get what he wants like he was on Namek

Uh...

....yea.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7759: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:16:12 PM

Probably not talking about filler.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7760: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:21:00 PM

I was totally thinking of that same thing.

Not the TFS version mind you, but still.

Edit: [up] It's Filler? Guess I should have seen that coming, but do we have any proof Vegeta wouldn't have done the same thing in the manga at the same point in time?

edited 15th Aug '14 9:21:52 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7761: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:23:50 PM

He blew up the guy in the truck when 18 dodged his blast, the rest is completely filler.

I think we need prove that he would rather than wouldn't.

edited 15th Aug '14 9:25:24 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7762: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:29:20 PM

But we know he would don't we?

I mean, at that point, he still wasn't exactly an ally of Earth. It was all about his own ego, and everybody else was expendable.

We see how willing he is to kill others to get what he wants or accomplish a goal when Babidi Majins him one whole arc later, and there's a dead truck driver who can testify (after being revived of course) that being in Vegeta's general vicinity when he decides to kill something is a good way to end up as collateral damage.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7763: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:34:22 PM

No, we don't, that's being presumptuous. He obviously wouldn't feel bad about killing people, but he doesn't just go around slaughtering people.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7764: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:35:58 PM

Ok. But would he try to limit collateral damage?

Like say, not blowing up a truck that appears behind someone he's trying to shoot with an Ki blast?

edited 15th Aug '14 9:36:26 PM by HandsomeRob

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7765: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:40:31 PM

Yes. He outright says while fighting 18 that he's limiting collateral damage.

One truck driver is not very large collateral damage at this stage.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#7766: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:43:45 PM

What? Really?

Damn. I really do need to read more of the original manga, but still, I didn't expect that from Vegeta.

Alright then. We're done here.

Obviously I win.tongue

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#7767: Aug 15th 2014 at 9:56:17 PM

No, I win for I am General Zod.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#7768: Aug 15th 2014 at 10:11:06 PM

[up]

.....

Fair enough.

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#7769: Aug 15th 2014 at 11:43:51 PM

I think the truck driver would have something to say abut Vegeta being any kind of a hero.

Oh wait, he can't say anything on account of Vegeta murdering him.

Vegeta was a villain.

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#7770: Aug 16th 2014 at 9:52:36 AM

Vegeta never really stopped being an evil, self-centered egotistical prick, he just retired from genocide after Frieza died and took up some new hobbies.

edited 16th Aug '14 9:53:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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#7771: Aug 16th 2014 at 9:59:53 AM

[up][up]Actually, Truck Driver probably still does have something to say; in DB, the difference between the afterlife and the real world is that you have a halo, and you can't stay at your local Mcdonalds anymore.

[up]*obsessions

At Super Perfect Cell. Reading really bad scans, but I can manage.

Gohan's transformation to SSJ 2 was awesome, yet again...Surprisingly sudden. I thought his speech just before the transformation about how he's not letting anyone get hurt again, but meh.

All the weight of Goku's sacrifice...Down the drain, when we see him and King Kai floating down Snake Way, with halos.

The Ki blast spam technique seems to be the most popular choice for Worf Barraging in the series. You know the villain won't buy what you are selling, when you pull one of these.

edited 16th Aug '14 10:10:01 AM by Mrsunshinesprinkles

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#7772: Aug 16th 2014 at 10:08:47 AM

Actually, Truck Driver probably still does have something to say; in DB, the difference between the afterlife and the real world is that you have a halo, and you can't stay at your local Mcdonalds anymore.

Only if you were a badass martial artist in life. Truck Driver is now one of those puff balls the characters jog past on their way to the Check-In Station to let King Yema know they'll be staying for a few days.

edited 16th Aug '14 10:09:28 AM by TobiasDrake

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#7773: Aug 16th 2014 at 10:18:38 AM

[up]Touche.

I've been having fun nitpicking like hell, even if I'm really having a damn good time, but one little moment that left me legit in hysterics; Cell proclaiming that he has enough Ki to destroy the solar system.

Puts into perspective how ridiculous the escalation got, and will keep getting. Solar system.

Solar system. The Saiyans must be freaking amazing at supressing their Ki, come Buu saga, since that's insane,

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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#7774: Aug 16th 2014 at 10:19:57 AM

[up]Either that... or Toriyama did not thought that line through.

I believe it is the latter.

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#7775: Aug 16th 2014 at 10:29:50 AM

[up][up][up][up]Funny how Ki Blast volleys are so utterly useless in the series proper but extremely helpful nearly everywhere else. They're a huge balance point in the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi series, the standard attack for spiritualist classes in Dragon Ball Online, and Goku's most powerful combo and spacing tool in Super Smash Flash 2note .

edited 16th Aug '14 10:37:51 AM by BaffleBlend

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