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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77701: Feb 7th 2018 at 7:56:49 AM

I am annoyed though that Vegeta is lasting this long.

He should be in no condition to fight after using the Final Explosion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#77702: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:00:21 AM

No one should be in any condition to fight except for Jiren because he's done literally nothing.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77703: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:00:36 AM

The only fans of Goku and Vegeta are fans of Goku x Vegeta.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77704: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:02:01 AM

They're still just ignoring that Jiren should be able to easily end this but just...isn't for some reason. And they can't even use the excuse of everyone left "not being worth his effort" anymore.

edited 7th Feb '18 8:26:14 AM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77705: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:09:30 AM

Where did Dragon Ball Heroes spoil the end of the tournament?

Unless there was something new, one of the Dragon Ball Heroes trailers showed Goku and Frieza fighting Jiren but that was a while ago, well before Ultra Instinct.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#77706: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:21:59 AM

They really wrote themselves into a corner by making Jiren as strong as he was. He had to spend long stretches of the tournament doing nothing just to give everyone else a fighting chance, but now that's come to bite them in the ass since Jiren should be fresh enough to clean house.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77707: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:24:27 AM

Yeah. And unlike Freeza (where you could argue the same principle took place) Jiren has no incentive to draw this battle out (since he's not massively sadistic).

Though Jiren not just wiping the table clean with everyone at the start of the tournament is already pushing it for me, tbh.

edited 7th Feb '18 8:25:00 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77708: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:24:34 AM

The sheer incompetance writing-wise.

edited 7th Feb '18 8:25:29 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77709: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:26:21 AM

Maybe he is massively sadistic. He's apparently a bad friend. What else has he been hiding?

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#77710: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:27:38 AM

When no one's looking, Jiren likes to...GIVE MONEY TO THE ORPHANS.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77711: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:28:48 AM

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It is. It's more amusing to have two separate camps who simply can't reconcile which character is better than to have mutual agreement that both characters have a right to exist.

Team Vegeta is constantly bogged down by Vegeta being second-fiddle to Goku, so Super has been a great win with Vegeta getting to do things.

Team Goku is constantly bogged down by accusations of Goku being a bad father and a bad person in general, and Super has absolutely not helped in that regard.

What I'm saying is Team MysGoku sucks and Team Vegeta is clearly the superior breed of Dragonball fan.

edited 7th Feb '18 8:36:16 AM by Soble

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77712: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:28:57 AM

THE FIEND

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77713: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:31:33 AM

Vegeta isn't bogged down by being second fiddle to Goku he's bogged down by constantly doing stupid things to power up the enemy.

Everyone is behind Goku in some regard.

Super has improved on that marginally, both by having him do it paternally (Cabba) and by having Goku's idocy grow to eclipse Vegeta's.

edited 7th Feb '18 8:33:34 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77714: Feb 7th 2018 at 8:38:09 AM

I mean, given that he tossed Cell a Senzu Bean and decided to only bide for time against Fat Buu instead of taking him out, Goku and Vegeta were pretty tied for the Dumbass of the Month award. I mean that half-seriously.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77715: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:09:33 AM

While I think tossing Cell the bean was a stupid, stupid idea, the actual plan was to back Gohan into a corner - and when that finally happened (thanks 16) it worked like a charm until Gohan fucked up.

And then, as Saiga pointed out to me once, Goku came up with and executed what was pretty much a flawless plan to move the exploding Cell away safely and went through with it, at the cost of his own life with basically zero hesitation.

Vegeta, on the other hand, let Cell go perfect with absolutely zero idea of what sort of power increase that would be.

edited 7th Feb '18 9:10:08 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#77716: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:11:04 AM

And then, as Saiga pointed out to me once, Goku came up with and executed what was pretty much a flawless plan to move the exploding Cell away safely and went through with it, at the cost of his own life with basically zero hesitation.

But... he didn't have to sacrifice his own life, did he? Why didn't he IT back to Earth before Cell exploded? Hell, he could've taken King Kai with him too.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#77717: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:13:13 AM

Its a brave man that not only sacrifices his own life but the life of a friend too.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#77718: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:14:14 AM

Just blame that on the anime padding out something that was supposed to be almost instantaneous, to a couple of minutes for dramatic effect.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77719: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:35:45 AM

Goku came up with and executed what was pretty much a flawless plan to move the exploding Cell away safely and went through with it, at the cost of his own life with basically zero hesitation.

It's funny to me that Cell gives Goku ten seconds.

edited 7th Feb '18 9:58:36 AM by Soble

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#77720: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:58:16 AM

The manga version of the scene was basically:

*Goku and Cell teleport in*

North Kaio: "What the-?!"

Goku: "Sorry!"

BOOM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77721: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:59:12 AM

I waited five to ten minutes, came back to edit that, and you replied seconds after I changed it. -_-

Anyway, point taken.

So, what, did Goku not say goodbye to everyone? Did Cell not give them 10 seconds?

It seems like instant teleportation, and Goku already being fast enough to run a 100-meter dash in under 10 seconds as a child, would make him fast enough to teleport Cell, jog over and grab King Kai, and teleport back to Earth before those seconds were up.

edited 7th Feb '18 10:00:17 AM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77722: Feb 7th 2018 at 9:59:54 AM

The anime basically functioned on anime time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#77723: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:15:29 AM

Yeah Goku could have theoretically saved King Kai if he hadn't spent time apologizing, but if would have been way less dramatic and satisfying so you've just got to ignore things like that for the sake of the story.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77724: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:22:37 AM

I mean, didn't they break the sound barrier some time ago in terms of the speed they could achieve?

edited 7th Feb '18 10:22:54 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77725: Feb 7th 2018 at 10:23:49 AM

Serious question: has the Goku and Vegeta team up ever been successful outside of Fusion Reborn and Meta Cooler? They hype it a lot, but I never recall them succeeding as a duo.


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