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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77501: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:09:51 PM

I don't get why the Roundabout meme always kicks in before something happens. None of the episodes in JJBA ended like that.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#77502: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:11:09 PM

Would the meme as funny though?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#77503: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:11:58 PM

[up][up]...Um, I'm pretty sure quite a few of them did.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#77504: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:15:54 PM

It wasn't something like "Joseph is mid-punch on an enemy", though. The closest thing I can think of is Wham going into Final Mode.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77505: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:16:25 PM

[up] [up]

-nod-

[up]Well, true, but the desired effect usually still there.

edited 5th Feb '18 9:17:13 PM by Soble

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#77506: Feb 5th 2018 at 9:17:24 PM

IIRC, it was usually more like something awesome happens, but then To Be Continued... cut in before it could show the result of said awesome thing.

This song needs more love.
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77507: Feb 5th 2018 at 11:57:51 PM

"This isn't character development, it's not even regression because that isn't really Vegeta - it's a mannequin acting out what the creators think Vegeta fans will enjoy seeing. It's the reason no hero ever uses a new attack in this series - they're just pandering to nostalgia.
.

That sounds like empty criticism to be honest, explain how that really isn't Vegeta.

Because that all just sounds like something you made up on the spot to complain about, with no real basis.

edited 6th Feb '18 12:01:52 AM by GarnetRebeller96

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77508: Feb 6th 2018 at 12:03:37 AM

Man you just can't let criticism go can you

If they get injured by attacks weaker than a blast that blew up the moon, isn't it safe to say they probably couldn't withstand said moon-destroying attack?

That happens all the time, though, even after we get into planet destroying territory. You'll see characters injured by attacks that only bust up the country side a little far after the point where we know they can survive planet busters and deliver them themselves.

Oh, on Rilldo's strength - the Machine Mutants I think could have served as a decent adversary for the heroes, being previously powerful aliens converted into a organic/machine hybrid via super advanced technology, with Rilldo even having the ability to effectively merge with the planet. Just not "he's even stronger than Majin Boo!" in his weakest form, but GT's scaling was a bit batshit crazy anyhow. A shame, the machine mutants weren't a bad idea.

edited 6th Feb '18 12:08:30 AM by Saiga

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77509: Feb 6th 2018 at 1:30:45 AM

[up][up] Why don't you try actually refuting these criticisms instead of dismissing them?

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77510: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:44:30 AM

Rather hard to do that when the guy didn't really provide any points at all. He just made a statement without any bases.

Man I can't help but notice when somebody says something positive about super, you guys are pretty quick to jump on that person,

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77511: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:48:28 AM

Then argue your own side.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77512: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:50:08 AM

Heheh boy am I excited for British Zamasu. tongue

I wonder if they'll give Gowasu a British accent too for the Hell of it.

"A spot of tea & crumpets with your Godtube my good sir?"

edited 6th Feb '18 2:51:53 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77513: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:55:01 AM

[up][up] So when a person makes a criticism towards Super but doesn't say anything to back it up, you won't say anything.

But when a person calls them out for that criticism not having any weight, you then decide to speak up.

Funny guy.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#77514: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:56:12 AM

Exaggeration was made...could've been ignored, but it wasn't.

edited 6th Feb '18 2:56:24 AM by randomness4

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77515: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:56:52 AM

Their criticism not having weight is your own claim. Back it up.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77516: Feb 6th 2018 at 2:58:57 AM

Ya know I've grown fond of Black's accent though admitably I'd like if Sean didn't go whole hog on the Britishness. Like dial it down just a tad.

Hopefully the transition from normal evil voice to evil British voice sounds natural for when the anime eventually gets there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#77517: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:00:46 AM

[up][up] I'll do that once he provides his points. smile

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#77518: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:03:43 AM

[up][up]Like a gruff brit...?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77519: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:05:38 AM

[up] That might work.

Like it goes to far in the other direction & it ends up sounding odd. I understand Sean's point with the accent I just think it could be executed a bit better.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#77520: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:09:06 AM

The contrast is too strong, I get ya.

Here's a Vegetarian's life with weird music, it's a nice time lapsing of stuff...but starts from Namek for some reason or maybe it doesn't and I can't tell.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#77521: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:16:44 AM

[up]x4 I'll provide my evidence in detail, then.

Vegeta throwing away his pride is the source of three of his most important moments in the series - the first is when he sneak attacks Cell during the beam struggle, giving Gohan an opportunity, the second is when he runs interference for Goku during the very definitely final battle with Buu and the third was him kowtowing to Beerus to delay his wrath until they were able to come up with a way to really entertain him. Yes, Vegeta has the "THAT'S MY BULMA" bit as well, but at that point he's earned it because throughout BOG he was willing to completely disregard his pride and have his family be the priority there. Heck, at one point while fighting Goku Black he managed to get insulted on Goku's behalf instead, another sign of emotional maturity.

Having him up against someone who was willing to throw away their pride to protect their universe and then have Jiren basically go "look at Vegeta, he isn't throwing away his pride, good on you Vegeta" totally ignores that Vegeta has indeed gotten to the point where he can do that if necessary and that throwing away your pride when necessary was the capstone to his fucking character arc in Z. It was written by someone who doesn't really get Vegeta and just wanted a repeat of an iconic moment. That side to Vegeta was never an asset to him ever - it only ever got him and the people he loved hurt.

What happened to Vegeta in the Buu saga was character regression - he slipped back into old habits - but he just had to learn the same lesson over again.

What's happening to Vegeta in this instance is that his massive character arc is simply being totally ignored, or worse, his giant giant flaw is being treated like it's a good thing about him when it so manifestly is not.

edited 6th Feb '18 4:35:39 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77522: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:19:39 AM

[up] Yo that makes sense.

He gave up his pride several times for reasons nobler then himself. He as casted it off long ago.

He has no right to criticize or shame Toppo for effectively doing the same.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#77523: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:30:48 AM

Veggie's pride seems to magically mentally restore itself whenever he accomplishes something.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#77524: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:36:37 AM

"Throwing away his pride" takes on a different meaning here.

Vegeta holding onto that pride in Z meant forsaking everything and everyone to prove he was the best there was at what he did. But now he isn't shouting from the rooftops, "I'M THE PRINCE OF ALL SAIYAN, AND YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE ME!" He's blasting Toppo for throwing away everything he cares about, including his ideals. They're not rehashing Vegeta being a prideful idiot, they're reinforcing that Vegeta's mindset has changed (while rehashing the scene where he blew himself up, yes) and that he's fighting for something, not just himself. When Vegeta does this, it's in direct response to Toppo telling him he needs to give up the things he's fighting for - Bulma, Trunks, Cabba - and Vegeta tells him to Shut Up Hannibal.

In contrast to the Vegeta from the Saiyan-Cell sagas, Vegeta doesn't need to throw away his "pride," here, because that equates to doing what Toppo suggests and not fighting for Bulma and Trunks' sakes.

Or at least that's what I took from it. I don't think the scene is bad. Maybe the execution didn't land for everyone, but clearly the intent was to be an, "awww, Vegeta really has changed," kind of moment, not a, "Vegeta is still the proudest, loudest, most gullible warrior in existence," kind of moment. As grumpy as Vegeta is around his family, he really, really does care. Super isn't just playing his Papa Wolf-ness for laughs anymore.

edited 6th Feb '18 4:40:05 AM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77525: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:37:14 AM

[up][up] Well he is short.

He's clearly compensating, just look at that hair.

The man has a fragile as fuck ego that leads to a complex.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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