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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77151: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:30:17 PM

Ya know I've been okay with the whole "He's outta energy" but can keep fighting thing but I think this time is the last straw.

Vegeta blew himself up, he used every single ounce of energy available to summon a massive explosion. He should be in no condition to fight now, he's not fucking Buu.

The fact he can still go Blue is complete & utter bullshit.

[up] That would actually make sense. Turning 17 into a battery.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:30:46 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#77152: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:32:04 PM

Obviously Vegeta discovered a way to convert Saiyan pride into an infinite source of power. [tup]

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77153: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:36:52 PM

17 just gives them both some of his nanomachines

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77155: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:42:11 PM

Any of that would be better than him being able to go Blue just cause.

I swear this is such a monumental destruction of tension even I can't stand it.

It would have been better if he actually did die even if its a foregone conclusion that he's still alive by End of Z.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:42:25 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#77156: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:43:54 PM

Not to mention, they still have the Namekian/Super Dragon Balls and they can always use that.

"Mai waifu."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77157: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:47:03 PM

17 being able to donate his energy would make sense, but would also be a bit of a Game-Breaker so I wouldn't like them to do that.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#77158: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:51:56 PM

the game is already broken by the stamina refilling from 0 to whatever the fuck by itself

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77159: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:52:04 PM

The Androids' Infinite Energy Generators are already game breakers. Often literally. When was the last Dragon Ball game that gave them infinite Ki and Stamina (if applicable)? Supersonic Warriors toyed with the concept, I think 18 had infinite weak Ki blasts in 1 and a very costly Super Mode in 2 that gave her infinite Ki blasts in general, but neither really went all-in on the idea.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:52:53 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77160: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:53:52 PM

[up][up] Yeah but I'm not saying they should go that route either.

[up] It's a lot more manageable when it's limited to just them. Also Budokai 1 had it possible to give them infinite ki (capsule) and it wasn't busted.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77161: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:54:17 PM

Of course they can just make it so they can't pull extra stamina out of their asses despite constantly saying they've run out of power, but that would require good writing to pull off.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:54:35 PM by Ikedatakeshi

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#77162: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:56:05 PM

Yes, thank you. Super is poorly written. We got the concept.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77163: Feb 3rd 2018 at 10:56:31 PM

I mean its such an annoying form of bad writing for being such an obvious full-faced lie.

He's going Blue in the preview after us literally being told he's out of energy. Do they honestly think were that stupid or are they naive enough to think we won't have a problem with it?

Its just grating really. Like an itch that won't go away.

edited 3rd Feb '18 10:58:07 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77164: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:01:39 PM

They're digging their own hole here. Considering Vegeta had literally zero reason to use his self-destruct move when he's clearly having the upper hand. All these talk about not having stamina are just attempts to give the illusion of tension

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77165: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:02:06 PM

I mean, 17 and 18 being able to infinitely recharge other characters would basically just turn them into White Mages who can't heal injuries, which is not all that overpowered. The obvious solution is to just shoot the White Mage, or keep them away from their teammates. Their White Mage abilities wouldn't even be as good as Buu's, who can heal you to full health from fatal wounds, or Senzu Beans, which can both heal and recharge you fully.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:02:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77166: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:03:56 PM

The thing is, that completely tosses out the idea of having Goku/Vegeta be worn down and especially that Super Saiyan Blue has an energy draining drawback.

Other characters with outright healing have been shown to have limits on how much they can heal, but there's no way to really limit the Androids' power so it'd be best to just keep it to them.

Well, they could make it take a significantly long time to transfer energy so it's not entirely practical.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:04:18 PM by Saiga

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77167: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:06:38 PM

It's not like they fight any different when they're injured. I don't see anyone striking at their injuries or them relying more on one limb because the other is injured.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77168: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:08:01 PM

You know, I would actually love it if, next episode, 17 recharges Vegeta to full power, the other gods react in surprise and shock, and it's revealed that 17 and 18 HAVE been refueling the rest of their team throughout this tournament, they've just been doing so while hiding behind rocks when the focus wasn't on them.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#77169: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:10:34 PM

That wouldn't be consistent with a lot of what we've seen on-screen.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#77170: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:11:51 PM

Hey its better than nothing.

...... Wait.........

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:12:11 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#77171: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:13:42 PM

Vegeta: Could I borrow a cup of energy, 17?
17: Sure thing, brosef. Here you go.
Beerus: Why didn't you do that before?!?!?!
17: No one ever asked.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77172: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:14:14 PM

If they wanted to do that, it would be better if it was done from the start.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77173: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:19:20 PM

I mean, it's not really consistent with Goku being tired vs Kale and Caulifla, but that was the only time when Goku being tired has actually been a plot point. Just say that they weren't able to get to Goku then.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:19:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#77174: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:21:10 PM

They have an entire moment fighting with U2 where they worked together. Why don't we see it then?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#77175: Feb 3rd 2018 at 11:25:09 PM

Because they were busy fighting U2. To be clear, I don't think this is going to happen, I just really want it to, because the Saiyans having infinite stamina is starting to break even my Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

edited 3rd Feb '18 11:25:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


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