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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75076: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:00:31 PM

Listen.

We all hate GT Pan, but she was written like shit.

If he did the job himself, and put the effort into it, I think it could work out really well.

I mean, putting effort into things isn't exactly Toriyama's thing (Super Saiyan because I hate inking hair!), but I think if he came at it from the right angle, it could probably work.

Edit: Also, does he even care about how things go overseas outside of coming back because Evolution pissed him off enough to say lets fix this.

edited 10th Jan '18 12:01:15 PM by HandsomeRob

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#75077: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:13:10 PM

He doesn't need to care about Tails anymore...

He doesn't have to continually draw them anymore...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75078: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:36:00 PM

Eh.

I'm not convinced tails are completely irrelevant. Well ok, they are, but only because he decided he didn't want them in the story any more, but I always thought it was interesting that so many of the Super Saiyan forms have stamina issues, and at the same time, they got rid of something that helped Saiyan's in one of their other transformations, and this made me draw a correlation between tails and all Saiyan transformations.

As in, if they still had their tails, Super Saiyan would be less tiring. No proof for it, and it won't ever happen, but I still like it as a personal theory.

Also, Super Saiyan Oozaru, but then again, that story about the first Super Saiyan (or was it Super Saiyan God) kinda gives us a chance for that one at least.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#75079: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:38:23 PM

Would Super Saiyan Oozaru be a x500 multiplier?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75080: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:39:15 PM

Hell if I know.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#75081: Jan 10th 2018 at 12:43:00 PM

The only energy multiplier that exists within Dragon Ball canon, and by that I mean Super and beyond, is Kaioken. Literally everything else is just fan stuff he no longer considers when handling the series.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75082: Jan 10th 2018 at 1:10:27 PM

Todiyama's mentioned the Super Saiyan multiplier in interviews, and it's obvious from looking at the series and Kaio-ken.

It makes Goku strong enough to domibate 100% Freeza. 50% Freeza blocked the Kaio-ken x20.

Therefore, SS makes Goku more than 40x stronger.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75083: Jan 10th 2018 at 1:13:39 PM

Not true; it could have been additive instead of multiplicative.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75084: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:13:06 PM

Looking back on Whis's training on Goku & Vegeta, I'm very glad they never reveal how heavy those weight block & clothes were. People can be way too obsessed with numbers.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#75085: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:26:43 PM

People can also be obsessed with other people being obsessed with numbers.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75086: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:27:54 PM

In this community, that's very true.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75087: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:38:31 PM

[up]x4 Wouldn't make any sense at all because the amount that adds would quickly become irrelevant

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#75088: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:40:30 PM

Dunno if anyone's posted this yet, can't be bothered to check.

It's pretty funny, and I'd say I agree with most of his scores (though I'd rage Vegeta vs. Auta Magetta higher). Can't wait to see him evaluate the Universe Survival fights.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75089: Jan 10th 2018 at 2:43:46 PM

[up][up] And how do we know that? Other numbers not in the series.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#75090: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:11:52 PM

[up][up] I agree with Not Mark on this video.

You know, is very helpful Super has two better versions of the first two arcs. I mean, it doesn't save the series from having shaky beginnings, but is a plus.

Has any other series had something similar to Super? The only one I can think is Star Wars with the novelizations, but I doubt it counts.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75091: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:16:57 PM

I tend to find TNM a credible guy when it comes to DBZ. I don't always agree with him but that's doesn't diminish his credibility at all.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#75092: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:29:17 PM

The only thing I ever disliked about Not-Mark is his sort-of-dislike for Magetta, and putting Jiren on the worst antagonists on the series (I can agree he is flawed, but he isn't the worst).

The rest, I agree with him. He is my spirit animal.

By the way, Vegeta jobbed, but i'll admit I was rooting for him, but the episode did give us something more about Jiren (He is looking for something beyond strenght), but anyway, he appears will play seriously in the next episode, as he is releasing his energy to Goku and Vegeta.

Odd, but ok.

edited 10th Jan '18 3:37:41 PM by Tomodachi

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#75093: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:32:04 PM

[up][up][up] Uh I wouldn't say Super did Bo G or Ressurection F better.

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#75094: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:38:59 PM

[up] I didn't meant to say that. I meant to say those Super arcs were done better in other animated form.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75095: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:46:33 PM

When it comes to the anime, I can't think of a single major DB antagonist worse than Jiren.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75097: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:53:03 PM

Filler villains are unfair (and not really major antagonists), but even then, better design, equal in other factors.

edited 10th Jan '18 3:53:25 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75098: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:57:19 PM

Better designs & such are subjective.

He's just an edgier Pilaf.

edited 10th Jan '18 3:57:49 PM by slimcoder

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#75099: Jan 10th 2018 at 3:58:04 PM

@saiga

Which isn't what Goku did to achieve Blue.

Well, then it's a good thing I wasn't talking about Blue there...? I hate how Goku got SSG, if that wasn't clear enough. Not really sure why you thought I was referencing Blue there. Unless you're taking issue with when I said Goku held hands to get SSG, how that eventually led to SSB and how that shouldn't allow him to surpass Beerus. That was all just a criticism of SSG.

[up]

Filler villains can good if written well, same as canon villains. Can't really think of any villains worse than Jiren that aren't from the movies though.

edited 10th Jan '18 4:07:09 PM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75100: Jan 10th 2018 at 4:12:32 PM

Edit: i misread your complaints about Blue and SSG. But I don't think UI and God are fair to compare, because God isn't really about effort. And it's as strong as it is because of the effort Goku previously put in throughtout his life.

@Sigil Um, no. We know that from the series itself, and how Super Saiyan stays relevant throughtout the large escalation gaps that include 50% of FP SS Goku's power blowing away the everything before it.

If Super Saiyan was only additive then the later scene wouldn't make sense. Besides, Occam's Razor and the fact that the only confirmed transformations and power-ups use multiplication and percentages, never addition (Kaio-ken, Oozaru, Freeza's power, fusion)

edited 10th Jan '18 4:15:41 PM by Saiga


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