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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#75001: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:35:46 PM

I don't usually begrudge things like that but I will say that Cell is my favorite Dragon Ball villain. The whole mystery and tension surrounding him hunting down the androids was great. Watching it on Toonami I still loved it even though I knew exactly what was going on.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#75002: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:44:31 PM

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Didn't Toriyama dislike drawing him too?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#75003: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:50:32 PM

Resurrecting Freeza for the Tournament of Power makes no sense without Resurrection 'F'. With Buu sleeping, the question becomes "who's the next strongest person we could get?" With Resurrection 'F', the answer is obviously Freeza, because his new form is equal to or stronger than SSB. Without Resurrection 'F', the answer is obviously Dabura, or Yakon, or Cell, or Android 16, or even Yamcha or Chiaotzu, because the humans have to be stronger than Freeza was if they're able to hang with the base Saiyans at this point. Turning Freeza's power-up into a plot twist completely removes the entire reason for bringing back Freeza.

Also, I've rather enjoyed seeing Freeza's character development across the three times he's come back. His Resurrection 'F' characterization doesn't feel like a speed-bump at all, rather it feels like a natural evolution of Freeza's previous characterization, and him right now feels like a more drastic and surprising evolution. I also love seeing the contrast between his interactions with Beerus in Res 'F' and his interactions now that he's had time to slow down and think about where he went wrong.

edited 9th Jan '18 3:51:36 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75004: Jan 9th 2018 at 3:52:28 PM

I miss Cell.

Especially since Frieza has breen brought back & Buu's continued appearance in the cast even if its just Fat Buu really marks how long he's been gone.

I'd like to see him again.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#75005: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:03:19 PM

I miss Cell.

Especially since Frieza has breen brought back & Buu's continued appearance in the cast even if its just Fat Buu really marks how long he's been gone.

I'd like to see him again.

A common criticism I keep hearing is how repetitive it is to use an old antagonist. Not I agree with this, since I do think Cell can be a viable threat & Freeza getting re used for 4th time it only seems fair to give Cell a chance. Then again I also want the next arc to focus Buu. Really tired how many times they blue ball the Buu fans.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75006: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:05:43 PM

I'm not sure how much Cell would be able to carry considering his fairly shallow motives and sort of standard personality, but honestly Freeza's getting very, very overused so I might actually appreciate some more Cell.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#75007: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:06:19 PM

The best Buu has gotten in Super was his fight with Basil. Agreed that next arc, or whichever arc introduces Uub, needs to have Buu as a focus.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#75008: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:12:53 PM

Cell is just so...bland though. He has an interesting design and backstory, but personality-wise he's just like a flat, generic doomsday villain.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#75009: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:16:19 PM

Let's be fair, a lot of DB villains are like that...tge likes of Freeza are kind of the exception, hence his breakout status.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75010: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:18:05 PM

That's the power of stellar voice-acting.

They can imbue so much charisma into a character it makes them feel so unique.

Like I watched the TFS top DBZ villains & they mentioned how Super Buu after absorbing enough people became a Cell rip-off & I can see that as he's like Cell with no charisma.

edited 9th Jan '18 4:19:29 PM by slimcoder

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75011: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:19:37 PM

CHANTING A LITTLE PRAYER BEFORE YOU DIE?

I do like how Cell is the culmination of the gang getting screwed over by Super Powerful Genetics which has for a while been their means of victory.

What I don't like is how his healing factor basically means no attack will have a lasting effect till the story just decides he's done, though it's really Buu who takes it to the fullest extreme.

edited 9th Jan '18 4:20:46 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75012: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:22:52 PM

Cell's favorite food is actually cornbread.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#75013: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:24:13 PM

Or it actually should have an effect since regeneration isn't exactly automatic for anyone...except Boo.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75014: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:26:38 PM

[up]x5 Freeza really isn't that different himself.

I agree with cutting RF, but that doesn't work for TOP because getting God-level while dead is pretty obscene and the characters have even less reason to think he's a powerful contendor for the tournament.

If you want him to be in the TOP without RF existing, then you'd have him still revived but spend those arcs training off-screen to better justify his power AND his more cautious approach in the TOP. Then have Beerus find him and force the team to accept him, because it makes more sense coming from him who doesn't care about Freeza's morality and since Freeza is alive he has WAY more reason to care about the universal erasure.

Also, debuting Blue against Black is another idea I had (I have my own draft of how I'd handle Super, if anyone is interested in more detail) which could even work with Black discovering it first and being in the inspiration for Goku and Vegeta. But that makes Hit REALLY weak which doesn't work well for the TOP so I decided it'd be better to debut Blue in Goku's fight with Hit.

I'd prefer not bringing back any dead villains for the TOP, really.

edited 9th Jan '18 4:27:07 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75015: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:28:06 PM

I'm actually thinking of something more radical... what if SSB just wasn't a thing? What if SSG was it?

[up][up] Cell can regenerate from his own self-destruction and actually got Zenkai from it. How is that not automatic?

edited 9th Jan '18 4:29:07 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75016: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:34:53 PM

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That's what I'm saying. SSB was introduced way too soon. Should've kept with the red hair in my opinion. Get a new form much later. Don't have the hair color be blue either, but that's just my personal preference.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#75017: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:36:15 PM

Hell Kaio-Ken got to be in like 2 or so movies before Super Saiyan came in.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75018: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:38:34 PM

[up][up][up] I had also thought of that, originally.

However, I like the idea of 'Blue' simply being the permanent God, which stats as a ritual only form. Goku and Vegeta learn to use their previous full power without transforming, freeing Super Saiyan to be used to draw out the God power they absorbed and made part of themselves.

So SSB (i wouldnt have it be Blue) = SSG but at-will.

That's what I initially believed Blue to be, but instead it's Super Saiyan + God which is just too much escalation. I like the idea of getting a new form for practical reasons rather than escalation.

edited 9th Jan '18 4:39:20 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75019: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:41:36 PM

I understand your reasoning. That of course, still raises the perennial bugbear of how Vegeta was able to pull it off at all, but that's something that's been glossed over since Ro F.

edited 9th Jan '18 4:42:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75020: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:43:03 PM

They do the ritual for Vegeta as part of the training.

He may have had a stick up his ass about it in Super, but in BOG he wanted to do the ritual next

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#75021: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:44:58 PM

Scrap the ritual too. Or, at least change how it works.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#75022: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:47:14 PM

Ah, yeah.

I'd definitely save Kaio-ken SSB (or, SSG or whatever) till way after Hit. I'd have Goku fake out Hit's time stop some other way, like with the Afterimage or what have you, and fight him that way, instead of just overpowering it. You could even have Hit be a Glass Cannon and the fight be a puzzle fight as Goku seeks to decode Hit's technique, or have them be roughly even.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75023: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:52:32 PM

[up][up] How would you handle that?

[up] I'd keep SSBG (my version of Blue - Super Saiyan Beyond God) for Hit with the TOP in mind. Hit should already show himself to be on that level of the God characters for his later fights with Dyspo and Jiren.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#75024: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:53:19 PM

That is a much less stupid name than the official one. What would your design be?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#75025: Jan 9th 2018 at 4:56:17 PM

Inspired by movie 5's early promotional art for SS Goku, with a golden-orange tinge to the hair and aura and red eyes (yellow + res - orange roughly). Maybe some slight changes in hairstyle, like God has sone slight changes to Goku's base hairstyle.

Can't pull up images for it on my phone right now. But the idea is to make it look like God and Super Saiyan traits mixed together.


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