TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74926: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:52:06 PM

I mean, kinda?

The cell saga clearly has three timelines, i guess

1. Original Timeline where the Androids killed everyone

2. "First" Timeline where Trunks comes back to save the day, but after going to the future he's killed by Cell in a sneak attack

3. Our Timeline, where both Trunks has come to save the day and Cell also came back to ruin it

edit: wait, i guess 4 technically- the second future timeline that Cell is from

It's kind of a mess but at the very least there's logic behind it, and it establishes that the time machine is set to a specific timeline to travel to, rather than the one it currently is in. which prevents a paradox, but also is really weird. It also leaves two timelines that are just ruined.

The Super one actually makes no sense, because "Magic A" Is "Magic A" isn't followed

edited 8th Jan '18 4:55:04 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74927: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:20:39 PM

[up][up][up] No, the Cell arc does not have that problem unless you have any examples to use.

And if Pushover's claim is accurate, then I don't need to watch the video to know it is literally impossible for POG to understand DB time travel. There is no way to understand DB time travel and come to the conclusion that Pushover mentions he did, so unless Pushover described it wrong and you can correct it, the criticism stands.

[up][up] If they're just travelling between timelines, and FT is 17 years ahead of the other timelines, then the timeline is this:

  • Zamasu goes evil and travels 17 years ahead to the future
  • After sometime, let's say a week, Trunks goes back in time
  • He should arrive a week after Zamasu left the timeline. Somehow, he arrives earlier.

Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#74928: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:28:07 PM

You really need to watch the video if you’re going to try to pick apart points Plague made. Especially if all you’re going on is someone else’s (incorrect incidentally) criticisms.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74929: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:30:14 PM

I couldn't finish the video either.

It didn't bother me before but his unchecked cynicism annoyed the fuck outta me this time.

I like his art though. Good enough to make me almost wanna be into furry's. tongue

edited 8th Jan '18 5:31:55 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74930: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:32:37 PM

Yeah no, Plague of Gripes says that Trunks killing Cell would've created a new timeline. He also says that Trunks going back to the main one in the Future Trunks arc would've created another new timeline based on his previous assertion that Trunks killing Cell meant the timeline he went to the main one from isn't the same one he went back from originally.

He also says multiple times during the video that his interpretation is inarguably and objectively correct, and at the end he says that anyone trying to correct him on it just proves his point that Dragon Ball time travel is worth getting angry over. It's basically a very long and elaborate troll.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74931: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:39:54 PM

Stiiiiill not seeing any evidence that Pushover is wrong

Pushover - do you have the rough timestamp for his Cell comment?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74932: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:47:02 PM

Goddamn Saiga & Pushover on the same side.

I must be hallucinating. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74934: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:52:37 PM

Here's the video again. You're looking for around the 6-7 minute mark.

Another thing he says is that there must be like 6 timelines created just from Black's time travel, because he doesn't understand how the Time Ring works.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74935: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:55:59 PM

[up][up] And this is why I respect Yamcha more than I do Vegeta.

There is no bigger loser in DB than the Prince of Saiyan's himself.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74936: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:01:02 PM

I wouldn't say that. Vegeta has a lot more wins than most characters, and it more than makes up for his losses when you look at the winrate.

For the most part, Vegeta's a more effective jobber because he is always kept relevant enough that it matters when he jobs. The Jiren fight has so far not been the case as we've already seen Kaio-ken Goku lose.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74937: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:04:13 PM

There's just something I feel is pathetic about modern Vegeta I can't quite put my finger on.

I feel oddly irritated & exhausted whenever he does something.

Like I had the biggest grin on my face when Jiren was savagely beating him & the moment Vegeta gained the upper hand no matter how temporary my grin instantly dropped & I felt like I wanted to stop watching the episode.

edited 8th Jan '18 6:04:59 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74938: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:08:20 PM

Re: Plaque Of Gripes, when he starts his video making it clear he finds the very concept of using time-travel in fiction stupid in itself and for their to be no way to use it right, I see no issue with not bothering to listen to the rest of what he has to say on the subject.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#74939: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:08:25 PM

Sounds like a personal issue.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74940: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:10:54 PM

Time travel to the past is kind of "dumb", since it's supposed to be impossible by our modern interpretation of physics. Whether you're willing to suspend your suspension of disbelief is another matter.

To the future is ok in my book though.

edited 8th Jan '18 6:11:12 PM by hardcorefakes

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74941: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:12:06 PM

That isn't the issue in this case. Fiction inherently requires Suspension of Disbelief. The issue is that Super breaks the "Magic A" Is "Magic A" rule by having time travel work differently despite being used similarly- that's why it breaks suspension of disbelief.

edited 8th Jan '18 6:13:00 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74942: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:12:47 PM

Because Dragon Ball (and fiction in general) is so big on staying within the borders of real world physics?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74943: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:15:36 PM

This is fiction.

The point is to tell real life to go fuck itself.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74944: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:24:17 PM

[up][up]Never said it was, but if someone is bothered by time travel, then they should avoid stories which feature it. I have no problem with people who enjoy hard sci-fi or anything that rigid. Don't think POG is one of those people though.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74945: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:24:32 PM

[up][up]That's A Wizard Did It

[up]The point is that his criticisms are hardly valid when he writes off time travel as a concept completely.

edited 8th Jan '18 6:25:10 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74947: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:27:44 PM

[up][up]

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't write it off as a concept just because of "muh physics" either. And if his only argument is just that he doesn't like it personally, while not citing anything else....well....agree to disagree.

Besides, time travel to the future specifically is definitely possible.

edited 8th Jan '18 6:29:11 PM by hardcorefakes

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74948: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:29:50 PM

I'm time travelling to the future right now at a rate of 1 second per second

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74949: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:33:42 PM

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!!!!!

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74950: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:37:52 PM

Pfft, scrublords. I can see the past. Or at least a recreation of it on a screen. I can also see celestial bodies as they were many years ago just by looking upwards.


Total posts: 130,800
Top