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No, the Cell arc does not have that problem unless you have any examples to use.
And if Pushover's claim is accurate, then I don't need to watch the video to know it is literally impossible for POG to understand DB time travel. There is no way to understand DB time travel and come to the conclusion that Pushover mentions he did, so unless Pushover described it wrong and you can correct it, the criticism stands.
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If they're just travelling between timelines, and FT is 17 years ahead of the other timelines, then the timeline is this:
- Zamasu goes evil and travels 17 years ahead to the future
- After sometime, let's say a week, Trunks goes back in time
- He should arrive a week after Zamasu left the timeline. Somehow, he arrives earlier.
Yeah no, Plague of Gripes says that Trunks killing Cell would've created a new timeline. He also says that Trunks going back to the main one in the Future Trunks arc would've created another new timeline based on his previous assertion that Trunks killing Cell meant the timeline he went to the main one from isn't the same one he went back from originally.
He also says multiple times during the video that his interpretation is inarguably and objectively correct, and at the end he says that anyone trying to correct him on it just proves his point that Dragon Ball time travel is worth getting angry over. It's basically a very long and elaborate troll.
Here's the video again.
You're looking for around the 6-7 minute mark.
Another thing he says is that there must be like 6 timelines created just from Black's time travel, because he doesn't understand how the Time Ring works.
I wouldn't say that. Vegeta has a lot more wins than most characters, and it more than makes up for his losses when you look at the winrate.
For the most part, Vegeta's a more effective jobber because he is always kept relevant enough that it matters when he jobs. The Jiren fight has so far not been the case as we've already seen Kaio-ken Goku lose.
There's just something I feel is pathetic about modern Vegeta I can't quite put my finger on.
I feel oddly irritated & exhausted whenever he does something.
Like I had the biggest grin on my face when Jiren was savagely beating him & the moment Vegeta gained the upper hand no matter how temporary my grin instantly dropped & I felt like I wanted to stop watching the episode.
edited 8th Jan '18 6:04:59 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Re: Plaque Of Gripes, when he starts his video making it clear he finds the very concept of using time-travel in fiction stupid in itself and for their to be no way to use it right, I see no issue with not bothering to listen to the rest of what he has to say on the subject.
That isn't the issue in this case. Fiction inherently requires Suspension of Disbelief. The issue is that Super breaks the "Magic A" Is "Magic A" rule by having time travel work differently despite being used similarly- that's why it breaks suspension of disbelief.
edited 8th Jan '18 6:13:00 PM by EpicBleye
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The point is that his criticisms are hardly valid when he writes off time travel as a concept completely.
edited 8th Jan '18 6:25:10 PM by EpicBleye
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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't write it off as a concept just because of "muh physics" either. And if his only argument is just that he doesn't like it personally, while not citing anything else....well....agree to disagree.
Besides, time travel to the future specifically is definitely possible.
edited 8th Jan '18 6:29:11 PM by hardcorefakes

I mean, kinda?
The cell saga clearly has three timelines, i guess
1. Original Timeline where the Androids killed everyone
2. "First" Timeline where Trunks comes back to save the day, but after going to the future he's killed by Cell in a sneak attack
3. Our Timeline, where both Trunks has come to save the day and Cell also came back to ruin it
edit: wait, i guess 4 technically- the second future timeline that Cell is from
It's kind of a mess but at the very least there's logic behind it, and it establishes that the time machine is set to a specific timeline to travel to, rather than the one it currently is in. which prevents a paradox, but also is really weird. It also leaves two timelines that are just ruined.
The Super one actually makes no sense, because "Magic A" Is "Magic A" isn't followed
edited 8th Jan '18 4:55:04 PM by EpicBleye
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