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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#74901: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:17:47 PM

It's possible that he's still a placeholder in FighterZ. Zamasu only has like two or three lines.

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#74902: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:24:59 PM

James Marsters is a weird case. First, he had no idea what Dragon Ball was, then they hired him to play King Piccolo in Evolution. He did research on the character and became such a fan of Dragon Ball that he made the crew change Piccolo to look more like the original version of the character. And now he's voicing Zamasu, another green villain who's the main antagonist of an arc of a show that only exists because of how awful Evolution was.

edited 7th Jan '18 9:25:14 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74903: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:39:18 PM

Yeah. I just checked that out on his wiki page.

I mean, it certainly wasn't the best way to be introduced to the franchise, but it's hilarious that he became One Of Us.

I wish I'd known that when he showed up at a convention a few years back, but I've deliberately learned as little about Evolution as possible, so I had no idea he was even Piccolo.

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74904: Jan 7th 2018 at 10:11:09 PM

I haven't heard any of Marsters performance other than Piccolo, does Zamasu really sound like him?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#74905: Jan 7th 2018 at 10:25:57 PM

Yeah, he sounds fine in both Xenoverse and FighterZ. Only minor criticism would be that the direction could be better, but I'm sure Funimation will smooth that out in the show proper.

Episode 122 animation breakdown. My favorite cut of animation was definitely Goku's soft blue hair, I love it whenever Super Saiyan hair is drawn kind of poofy and with a real hair-like texture to it.

edited 8th Jan '18 5:33:13 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74906: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:44:52 AM

1 minute in to that video and there is no way I need to listen to the rest of this.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74907: Jan 8th 2018 at 5:08:23 AM

Ya know I jave been rewatching the original 2D Star Wars: Clone Wars show & Goddamn that show is a tresure. Everything from the cinematography, fight choreography, music, art, its a true testament to the beauty 2D animation can reach.

I especially like how the fights are generally completely silent. No talking, just letting the animation speak for itself as we are not constantly interrupted by people explaining shit we just saw. One reason why the UI Goku vs Jiren fight was so good, both of them were not talking. Oh sure we constantly got talking by the peanut gallery but those 2 never talked & just focused on beating the shit outta each other.

We need people to start shutting up when fighting.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#74908: Jan 8th 2018 at 6:45:07 AM

You know I thought the time travel stuff was rough with just three timelines so it having like, five just for Cell and ten for Goku Black really shows what a Pandora's Box the whole thing is in storytelling terms.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
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#74909: Jan 8th 2018 at 8:18:00 AM

[up][up]You're in the wrong genre for that.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74910: Jan 8th 2018 at 8:45:11 AM

[up] Indeed but Silence is Golden is such a wonderful trope.

Besides its not like battles should be completely silent. Screams & battle-cry's are okay.

edited 8th Jan '18 8:45:25 AM by slimcoder

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#74911: Jan 8th 2018 at 8:46:14 AM

The biggest obstacle to time travel in storytelling is the audience overthinking it. It requires almost complete suspension of disbelief in order to work in most cases.

This song needs more love.
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#74912: Jan 8th 2018 at 10:04:45 AM

If Babidi was able to absorb the energy from Goku and Majin Vegeta's fight from afar, why did he need Spopovich and Yamu to steal energy for him?

edited 8th Jan '18 11:41:29 AM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74913: Jan 8th 2018 at 11:44:43 AM

[up]

I think that in the case of the Majin Vegeta fight, it’s because he’d used his powers to transport them or something like that.

They were still connected to the ship and as such he could take the energy more directly. Or at a least that’s my guess.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74914: Jan 8th 2018 at 11:52:14 AM

They were still on the ship...

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#74915: Jan 8th 2018 at 2:16:20 PM

I wonder if Goku Black's grey eyes while in Rose has any relation to Ultra Instinct's silver eyes. On the one hand, it seems like an odd leap in logic to make, that they're connected in any way. On the other hand, though, Rose is a form that is the result of a god's soul being inside a Saiyan's body, presumably Goku would have Rose if he has taken Kami or Whis up on their offers to become gods, and Ultra Instinct is supposed to be like the pinnacle of godliness.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#74916: Jan 8th 2018 at 2:59:35 PM

@soble: they were technically still inside his ship, like randomness said. Remember that when Babidi teleported them, the doorway to the next floor transported with them, and was still fully functional (it still lead deeper into the ship despite now being located in a wasteland).

edited 8th Jan '18 3:00:06 PM by DarkHunter

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#74917: Jan 8th 2018 at 3:44:33 PM

It requires almost complete suspension of disbelief in order to work in most cases.

I think Stable Time Loops can work without too much suspension of disbelief, but any form of time travel to the past that goes against that starts to fall apart if you think about it too much...

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#74918: Jan 8th 2018 at 3:47:09 PM

Stuff like Steins;Gate also works incredibly well

It's just a matter of the writers actually needing to think this stuff through, otherwise you end up with Dragon Ball's timetravel nonsense

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74919: Jan 8th 2018 at 3:50:16 PM

It made sense the first time though.

Its just the Black arc added more routes & so it got more jumbled up.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#74920: Jan 8th 2018 at 3:51:16 PM

I think the real problem is that the writers seem to be acting like several different types of time travel were happening at once, depending on the situation.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#74921: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:16:03 PM

It's just a matter of the writers actually needing to think this stuff through, otherwise you end up with Dragon Ball's timetravel nonsense

Careful, that's how you wind up with Primer.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#74922: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:39:15 PM

I think the Awesome.Dragon Ball Super page might need some trimming—it's very episodic and very long, and while Dragon Ball has high concentrations of awesomeness per episode it still makes it super long. The Awesome.Dragon Ball page is similarly long but is divided by character, not arc (albeit that page is full of natter XD;). The Awesome.Dragon Ball GT one seems to be the best-formatted.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74923: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:40:17 PM

Yeah I think branching timelines are best and work fine in the Trunks arc. Plague is just very clearly wrong if Pushover's line about Trunks killing Cell is accurate - that is amazingly wrong. There are issues but they're not related to the mechanics of time travel, just weird character decisions that are norm for DB.

I feel like a lot of criticisms about time travel are from people who don't actually bother thinking about it. It's fine to ctiticize the idea as being more complicated than you want, it's not fair to say it doesn't make sense if you don't give it thought.

Super has the issue Sigil mentioned of acting like different kinds of time travel are being used, without consistency between them. And as far as I know there's still no explanation for how Trunks ended up in the timeline BEFORE Zamasu turns evil - if the timelines are now synced, then the Black timeline and present timeline should always be in the same period and by the time Black travels to Trunks' time, it should be too late to do anything about Zamasu without deliberately traveling back further to change things.

edited 8th Jan '18 4:42:02 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74924: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:46:01 PM

Super isn't the only one with that issue. There's also the case of the original Cell Arc.

Also, Saiga, you can not watch the video, but you shouldn't not watch the video and then criticize it.

edited 8th Jan '18 4:52:18 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#74925: Jan 8th 2018 at 4:51:02 PM

The present and future timelines are synched in that the future timeline is about 17 years ahead. Black just didn't go further in the future than 17 years using the time ring.

I will say this, Super doesn't explain how Black is able to cross timelines using the Time Ring, but then again Shin and Gowasu do the same thing, so it's presumably just another power the Time Rings have. In addition to letting you travel into the future, travel through already open time rifts temporarily, and make you immune to time paradoxes.

edited 8th Jan '18 4:52:54 PM by PushoverMediaCritic


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