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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74876: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:35:24 PM

[up][up][up] Don't presume to speak for everyone. I haven't actually heard many people describe it that way, I myself think it was a bad move to bring it back and that's not an uncommon sentiment.

edited 7th Jan '18 3:35:41 PM by Saiga

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#74877: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:37:03 PM

It is also very commonly seen as the best moment in Super until UI. Either way you are arguing preferences right now.

edited 7th Jan '18 3:38:51 PM by Jedi1113

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74878: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:38:55 PM

I mostly heard positive reception to it coming back as well, to be honest.

Honestly, if we don't count the Pikkon filler, there was really no actual stated reason for it not to come back, and I can't really think of a logical reason for it not to return (though you could make the argument that it came back too soon after SSB became a thing).

edited 7th Jan '18 3:41:15 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74879: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:41:39 PM

I mean, at the very least Kaioken coming back makes Blue seem a lot weaker than I think it's supposed to be, and adds to the power inconsistency issues.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74880: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:41:40 PM

I know there is a sizeable amount of people positive towards it, but I haven't seen much of it being 'best moment if Super' level of praise.

Just something fans are really split on.

[up][up] The manga doesn't really explain it, but acts like it's redundant with Super Saiyan. That's enough. If you then say they can be stacked on top of each other, it takes MORE work to say why this wasn't done before.

edited 7th Jan '18 3:43:18 PM by Saiga

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74881: Jan 7th 2018 at 3:47:26 PM

I know there is a sizeable amount of people positive towards it, but I haven't seen much of it being 'best moment if Super' level of praise.

Just something fans are really split on.

That is so unbelievably untrue. It isn't this Broken Base moment you're making it out to be. Just because there's a majority of people agreeing on something doesn't mean it still isn't subjective.

edited 7th Jan '18 3:57:24 PM by agent-trunks

Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#74882: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:09:46 PM

Everyone shut up.

There’s an angry man in Kentucky with something to say.

edited 7th Jan '18 4:12:04 PM by Larfleeze

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74883: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:12:26 PM

YES NEW Po G VIDEO.

grabs popcorn

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74884: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:18:30 PM

[up][up][up] I's not bullshit just because you haven't seen it. I frequent more forums than just this one, where I haven't actually seen much reaction on it. There is a very divided response on things on more dedicated DB forums.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74885: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:19:44 PM

I'm always up for some Plague.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74886: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:43:16 PM

Huh.

I didn't think my opinion of the Goku Black arc could go down.

I was wrong.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74887: Jan 7th 2018 at 4:55:40 PM

He tears into Goku Black huh.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74888: Jan 7th 2018 at 5:07:43 PM

I think the point of the arc was "time-travel is crazy nonsense that never should've been messed with", so it getting increasingly more convoluted just makes it better for me.

He also didn't seem to understand how the Time Rings worked. Basically, you can use them to go into the future and return to your own time but not go into the past (unless there's already a time rift open, apparently). And yeah, Beerus Destroying Zamasu was supposed to be a triple paradox that, in the universe where he didn't, Zamasu became Black. Black just didn't disappear because he had a Time Ring on.

He seemed to be ignoring a lot of easy answers just to try and find excuses to make as many timelines as he could, like how Future Trunks killing Cell wouldn't have made another timeline because why would it?

edited 7th Jan '18 5:29:58 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74889: Jan 7th 2018 at 6:38:50 PM

Well that was a fun video. I don't have any real reason to disagree with him on much. Just makes an already questionable arc look weaker under examination.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74890: Jan 7th 2018 at 6:47:19 PM

I's not bullshit just because you haven't seen it. I frequent more forums than just this one, where I haven't actually seen much reaction on it. There is a very divided response on things on more dedicated DB forums.

So have I & I know for a fact how divisive everyone is.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74891: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:00:26 PM

Yeah you're not making any arguments at this point. You can't know what I have seen so stop calling my experiences bullshit.

[up][up] I didnt like his Saiyan girl video but i may try this after work

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74892: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:05:40 PM

Didn't say that at all, but whatever makes you sleep at night

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74893: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:06:48 PM

That is pretty much exactly what you said by calling my claim bullshit, when I had seen divisive responses to Blue Kaio-ken.

There's no need for you to be so rude.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74894: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:08:33 PM

[up][up]You come off as really defensive and unwilling to argue against what people are actually saying, and it makes discussing things with you difficult. I'm saying this now, because you haven't really been around long, and it probably hasn't gotten to the point in which a bad opinion of you has solidified.

Otherwise I could see the mods being called in.

edited 7th Jan '18 7:09:26 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74895: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:09:45 PM

[up]

I'm assuming you plan to add an extra arrow there.

Edit: And it looks like I was right.

edited 7th Jan '18 7:10:04 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74896: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:12:43 PM

Heh keep in mind that the Black arc is gonna start in around 2 weeks.

At the very least its gonna be fun to hear Black & Zamasu's new voices.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74897: Jan 7th 2018 at 7:31:59 PM

You come off as really defensive and unwilling to argue against what people are actually saying, and it makes discussing things with you difficult. I'm saying this now, because you haven't really been around long, and it probably hasn't gotten to the point in which a bad opinion of you has solidified.

Otherwise I could see the mods being called in.

I said "people" not "all", for whatever reason you guys keep thinking that I'm grouping everybody & speaking as if the majority is right.

At the very least its gonna be fun to hear Black & Zamasu's new voices.

Was there confirmation on who Zamasu VA is?

edited 7th Jan '18 8:58:14 PM by agent-trunks

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#74898: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:08:41 PM

[up]Going by FighterZ, it's still James Marsters from Xenoverse 2 (easing a bit on the hammy pitch).

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74900: Jan 7th 2018 at 9:13:30 PM

I thought his voice in Xenoverse was a placeholder.

Like with Hit.

edited 7th Jan '18 9:13:40 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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