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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74776: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:14:16 PM

I wonder if Manga-Jiren will be really annoyed by Goku & Vegeta.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#74777: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:24:11 PM

I hope he hates 'em.

My various fanfics.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74778: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:29:23 PM

I didn't. Realism in arts isn't the same as calling something realistic in-universe.

I really shouldn't be here since I didn't see the episode yet, but that still sounds like the same thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74779: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:30:16 PM

Considering how he is completely opposed to this tournament on moral grounds it be cool that meeting people who genuinly enjoy this slaughter ground would earn his true ire.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74780: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:40:17 PM

[up][up]In-Universe rules don't have to apply to real life...but should still make sense...In-Universe.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74781: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:40:25 PM

[up][up][up] They're not even remotely similar. Realism is a very specific art movement about defying romanticism and portraying people in accurate/truthful ways. It's completely removed from Dragon Ball.

Something being realistic in-universe has nothing to do with how realistic the series is to our world, it's about the story beats being believable.

Anyway, on the episode: Some really well drawn art in this episode. Shame it couldn't also be well written. I can't bring myself to care about this fight when it's been near twenty episodes since Jiren dominated Kaio-ken x20 Goku with ease. Nothing Vegeta does here is going to impress me. Hey look, he's doing the final flash again. Hey look, it did absolutely nothing. And they dragged it out so much for such an inevitable result. I'm with Arha, please let Vegeta retire. They can't get his character right at all - he's calling himself number one again, the final nail in the coffin of his character reversion - they don't do anything interesting with him, they have him worf in spots where it isn't effective, and everything they do with him is just too predictable. I'm not really interested in his new form, if it's his Kaio-ken equivalent then it is coming in waaay too late to matter.

Oh, it was fun seeing Dyspo use Freeza's tail against him and beat him up in a pretty brutal way. Really redeeming your earlier performance.

edited 6th Jan '18 8:48:33 PM by Saiga

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74782: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:15:24 PM

Yea, the Pride Troopers are kind of making up for literally doing nothing for most of the tournament. They really did have a right to be a bit arrogant about their strength.

I wonder why Dypso was so worried about fighting Freeza, he's handling himself pretty well.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74783: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:27:24 PM

Huh Vegeta said he's number 1?

Damn that is character regression. Z ended with Vegeta accepting that Goku as the true number one.

[up] Prolly cause Hit kicked his ass so brutally his confidence was shot for a moment there.

edited 6th Jan '18 9:28:02 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74784: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:27:59 PM

Yeah, the peanut gallery's reactions don't make sense. They shouldn't have expected anything different from what happened.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74785: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:57:04 PM

So after the blatant Frieza saga shout outs in Goku's fight with Jiren, we now have a Cell saga shout out with Vegeta using the final flash against a much stronger opponent, but similarly to Goku, he falls much shorter than he did before.

Hell, at least he managed to actually damage Cell a bit, and in fact, had he landed it clean, he'd have possibly killed him.

The best he was able to do with Jiren is get him to say it was slightly impressive.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#74786: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:57:16 PM

Since the manga is giving Jiren more character, I hope it does something like say the reason Jiren sits around all the time and doesn't knock everybody out instantly is because he feels ringing someone out might as well be killing them. If you think about it, the only people he's rung out were Maji Kayo (a sadist who was going to cut Dyspo's ears off) and Hit (assassin who kills people).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74787: Jan 6th 2018 at 9:58:59 PM

[up] His actions make more sense with that characterization in mind.

Its actually pretty complex. A moral quandary.

edited 6th Jan '18 9:59:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74788: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:00:08 PM

[up][up] I thought the same thing, it's a decent characterization to give him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74789: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:01:48 PM

Yeah. I can only guess as to why Toei has held back so much with him.

Did Toriyama really give them so little to work with, or did they just botch things?

I know it would be easy to assume the latter, but we can't totally rule out the former.

Edit: Dumb question: What was Krillin's post Guru Power Level again?

It was supposed to be about 75 000 right?

edited 6th Jan '18 10:10:42 PM by HandsomeRob

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#74790: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:27:15 PM

Frieza getting dragged by his tail was pretty funny. That'll teach you to hold back, you smug jerk.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74791: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:29:05 PM

Jiren's pretty unique character wise the more I think about it.

Is he the first rival for Goku who is truly on the white side of the morality scale?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74792: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:35:08 PM

Yes.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#74793: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:37:16 PM

Until it's revealed that he wants to use the Super Dragonballs to further his planet selling operation, mwuhahaha.

Watching Vegeta get pummeled is pretty boring. Yes, we get it, he sucks, can we do something else now? Also, I just realized I can barely remember anything he's done this entire time except save Cabba, let Katopesla punch him and nurse his inferiority complex.

edited 6th Jan '18 10:37:33 PM by Arha

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74794: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:37:49 PM

Very much yes. Right now, due to Toriyama's desire to put an element of Poison in Goku's character (too much damned poison in fact), he's arguably more on the morally white side than Goku.

Now if only we'd get a bit more of that side in the anime.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74795: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:45:55 PM

Jiren as a genuine good person can offer a lot potential in the dynamic he can have with Goku.

The fact he turned down the tournament with no interest to even go out fighting shows that to him his powers are all a means to an end. He does not appear to enjoy combat, to him his limitless power is just to protect the people of his universe. He essentially follows the philosophy of "With great power, comes great responsibility."

Like if Goku asks him for a sparring match I can see Jiren turning him down on the grounds he doesn't really like fighting & it be a waste of time disappointing Goku which will be a funny thing to see.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74796: Jan 6th 2018 at 10:47:31 PM

I like that the Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren fight appears to be escalating in power over time similar to Goku vs the U6 Saiyan girls. This episode was SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta vs Jiren, next episode appears to be SSB KK Goku and SSB2 Vegeta vs Jiren, and you just know that Ultra Instinct is probably going to show up in the episode after that.

edited 6th Jan '18 10:48:32 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74797: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:16:25 PM

New set of spoilers.

Goku throws caution to the wind and Freeza's up to his old tricks. Looks like Vegeta might get Ultra Instinct in response to God of Destruction Toppo.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74798: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:20:26 PM

[up][up] I too like these episodes being extremely repetitive after a set of very recent episodes and that they chose to follow the model of one of the most poorly paced out fights of this arc.

I wonder how genuine Freeza is about betrayal. Things are now down to the point where he could think Universe 11 will definitely win, or he might think his best bet is to trick Universe 11 and then backstab them so U 7 win.

edited 6th Jan '18 11:21:29 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#74799: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:23:37 PM

You are just an endless salt-mine, aren't you?

I think Freeza's entirely genuine, but there's no way Dyspo accepts.

edited 6th Jan '18 11:24:34 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#74800: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:24:25 PM

[up][up]Oh you thought four episodes for the saiyan girls was bad? Eight minutes left means eight more episodes for the Pride Troopers.

edited 6th Jan '18 11:24:54 PM by Moth13


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