TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74701: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:31:43 PM

The only thing wrong with nuking the future timeline is Future Trunks just going to an exact copy of it after the fact.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74702: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:33:45 PM

I wouldn't call it the only problem, but it's definitely the biggest one.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74703: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:38:17 PM

It only lasted like 5 to 6 months? That's nowhere near "nearly an entire year".

Actually turns out it was 8 months. Either way I was wrong.

The fight would have "dragged" no matter who was getting "shilled".

You got me there.

I just so happened to have finished the Black arc just now.

As far as I'm concerned, that last bit just didn't happen. Black was beaten by Trunks all hyped up on FRIENDSHIP, and that's final.

That I can agree on.

As far as I'm concerned that's even stupider than the timeline being destroyed.

Yes, I'm sure when someone gets defeated/killed you become omnipotent is the better writing here.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74704: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:41:56 PM

I have literally no idea what you are trying to say with that last part.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74705: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:42:35 PM

I believe he was referring to Infinite Zamasu.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74706: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:42:36 PM

I think he's talking about the part where Zamasu became a universal wallpaper.

But, Zamasu was definitely not omnipotent there. If he was "omnipotent", Zeno couldn't have killed him.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:43:26 PM by hardcorefakes

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74707: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:43:11 PM

Honestly, if they were just gonna have him come back and do that, then why even pretend Trunks stood a chance of stopping him in either version. Why have him cut Fused Zamasu in half in either version if he was just gonna Lol!Nope and then the future gets wiped out anyway?

I've sometimes felt that Toriyama can consider his characters utterly expendable (as in he barely gives any thought to their long term use and is more than willing to toss them away to serve his plot), and this applies it to an entire timeline. He screws over Trunks just to tell the story he wants to tell, then blatantly ignores the potential solution (keeping Trunks around to enter the tournament and use the Super Dragonballs to fix the problem).

One Strip! One Strip!
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74708: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:44:52 PM

Well, that part about FT beating Zamasu up wasn't in the manga IIRC, so it wasn't in the outline, hence Toei's decision as opposed to Toriyama's.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:45:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74709: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:45:14 PM

[up][up][up][up] Right... that's also dumb, but not what I was referring to with the destruction.

[up] he still cuts him in half, but they don't play it up as much as the anime and it's done to 'finish' the fusion separation.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:46:01 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74710: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:47:35 PM

[up][up]

Actually, Trunks manages to cut him in half in both versions.

In the manga, his fusion is only temporary (because in this version, Zamasu is not yet a Kaioshin), but for reasons I can't recall, when time is up, Zamasu and Black are still holding together (and turning into a blob of unstable goo), so Trunks moves in and cleaves them in half.

That just leads to Me's a Crowd Zamasu instead of Wallpaper Zamasu however.

Edit: Murasaki'ed.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:48:00 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74711: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:49:06 PM

The reason they held together is because both souls are Zamasu, so the similarity keeps them together though not enough to completely counter the fusion causing him to be stuck in-between.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74712: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:53:06 PM

Right. That was it. Same dude so even though they should have been defusing, they held together.

Zamasu and Black really wanted to stay inside each other.tongue

Oh god...why did I do that? Now I can't unseen it.sad

One Strip! One Strip!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74713: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:56:54 PM

See what?

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#74714: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:00:02 PM

Sex. The joke was about sex.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74715: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:02:20 PM

No. It wasn't just that!

It was a Yaoi joke.

I hate Yaoi.

I have finally become the thing I've fought against.

There is no hope left.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#74716: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:03:03 PM

Isn't it called BL nowadays?

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74717: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:06:59 PM

The reason they held together is because both souls are Zamasu, so the similarity keeps them together though not enough to completely counter the fusion causing him to be stuck in-between.

That is still incredibly dumb. The anime at least said the fusion is permanent because they're both Kais. Why bother being different if you're going to be same?

That just leads to Me's a Crowd Zamasu instead of Wallpaper Zamasu however.

Still as stupid.

Isn't it called BL nowadays?

BL can mean a lot of things. I just say Yaoi because I want to be a hypocrite.

edited 6th Jan '18 6:09:08 PM by agent-trunks

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74718: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:07:04 PM

The heck does "BL" stand for?

Just looked it up, makes sense.

edited 6th Jan '18 6:07:49 PM by hardcorefakes

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#74719: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:07:38 PM

Boys Love.

edited 6th Jan '18 6:09:57 PM by Ikedatakeshi

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74720: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:09:36 PM

[up][up][up] The manga is different because having a fusion timer gives the characters a goal to work towards. The anime never gave the heroes a way to realistically win until Trunks pulled the Spirit Sword out of his ass, and that immediately made things worse anyway.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74721: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:11:58 PM

Sex. The joke was about sex.

Randomness was hoping more to get the specific visual, but apparently it's really tame...

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#74722: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:19:49 PM

Episode out:

Jiren OP, pls nerf.

Seriously, even with Jiren holding back and Vegeta pulling power ups from his... pride, he literally can't even scratch Jiren with his strongest attack and gets absolutely manhandled.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74724: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:21:30 PM

If it weren't like that, something would be very wrong.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74725: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:25:18 PM

So business as usual then?

Excellent.

One Strip! One Strip!

Total posts: 130,800
Top