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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74676: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:59:24 PM

Whats funny is that the Black arc is still shorter than the shortest Z arc.

As you have highlighted, it's a prime example of how pacing works - it's not how long it is it's how long it feels.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74677: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:01:48 PM

Showing something is definitely better than telling it. And the ending resolves the button without making it an easy fix to the solution or a joke.

I'm not saying it's worth the loss of Trunks' timeline, but from a writing perspective I can see why it was done.

How on Earth could you think the manga dragged on longer? There are less story beats, and the overall length is SO much shorter. Unless you're just going off release schedule which is ridiculous.

edit: The Saiyan arc is only longer in the anime because they shoved a huge block of filler in the middle.

edited 6th Jan '18 4:03:26 PM by Saiga

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74678: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:02:24 PM

I never felt like it was dragging on too long. It just...happened. And ended. Maybe that's because I wasn't that invested.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74679: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:03:57 PM

At least it gave us some pretty decent fights.

And Black is gonna be an amazing character to play as in Fighter Z.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74680: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:05:20 PM

The anime version probably felt longer because viewers had something to anticipate every week.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74681: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:09:44 PM

Well that, and they went to the future to get their asses kicked three separate times.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Larfleeze Agent Orange Since: May, 2009
Agent Orange
#74682: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:19:47 PM

The anime at least gave Black an interesting personality instead of his manga version who was literally just the author’s own OC Xicor from AF.

Do you know what people want the most? Something somebody else has.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74683: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:22:17 PM

Showing something is definitely better than telling it. And the ending resolves the button without making it an easy fix to the solution or a joke.

I'm not saying it's worth the loss of Trunks' timeline, but from a writing perspective I can see why it was done.

Or it just didn't have to happen. There was always that option.

How on Earth could you think the manga dragged on longer? There are less story beats, and the overall length is SO much shorter. Unless you're just going off release schedule which is ridiculous.

Not to the point you have to wait for each month for it to be release. The anime & manga roughly started the same, but manga still went on for half a year when the anime was done. It could've ended sooner than later.

At least it gave us some pretty decent fights.

And Black is gonna be an amazing character to play as in Fighter Z.

I would've liked this arc, but the ending just ruined it.

The anime version probably felt longer because viewers had something to anticipate every week.

Compare to waiting every month. Yeah, poor them.

Well that, and they went to the future to get their asses kicked three separate times.

That 2nd fight didn't even make any god damn sense. How can show Goku & F-Trunks having enough coordination to fend off Black & Zamasu then have them get their ass kicked in the next fight. That 2nd time travel was unbelievably stupid that the only good thing that came out of it was SSJ Rage & they still found a way to ruin that with a crapstastic animation in the next episode.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74684: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:22:50 PM

[up][up]Okay, but what does that have to do with the current conversation?

edited 6th Jan '18 4:29:07 PM by VeryMelon

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74685: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:27:04 PM

[up][up] Release schedule is a silly thing to judge by. If it had ended any sooner it would have just been incomplete and rushed, and not work well on a re-read or in collected form. When read at once, the manga's pacing is far superior.

Or it just didn't have to happen. There was always that option.

An option that fails to address what I outlined. If you just have that not happen, you have no pay-off for the events leading up to it and that's bad. I'm NOT saying the destruction needed to happen or the best result, I in fact argued the opposite, I'm just saying why there WAS a point to it that you seem to be completely ignoring. In figuring out how I'd prefer it to end, I'd want adequate coverage for what the ending did achieve instead of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[up][up][up] Anime Black and Manga Black are the same personality.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#74686: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:30:41 PM

Vegeta apparently has no interest in getting Ultra Instinct.

This song needs more love.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74687: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:46:31 PM

Release schedule is a silly thing to judge by. If it had ended any sooner it would have just been incomplete and rushed, and not work well on a re-read or in collected form. When read at once, the manga's pacing is far superior

The manga will always be better because it doesn't always take 20 minutes to read. You can't just compare the 2 mediums because there's some things that can't be adapted. Especially when the anime have fillers.

An option that fails to address what I outlined. If you just have that not happen, you have no pay-off for the events leading up to it and that's bad. I'm NOT saying the destruction needed to happen or the best result, I in fact argued the opposite, I'm just saying why there WAS a point to it that you seem to be completely ignoring. In figuring out how I'd prefer it to end, I'd want adequate coverage for what the ending did achieve instead of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Except it still never needed to happen. Even if it didn't make sense how F-Trunks gained the Spirit Bomb Sword at least he still got to finish the main antagonist. There was no point having Zeno getting involve to begin with. A writer perspective doesn't validate any of that.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74688: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:47:59 PM

No, an anime can have better pacing in respect to the content it covers. Super's just... doesn't. Also it's not fair to say you can't compare the two mediums when you started comparing them.

I'm NOT invalidating that, and I'm not saying it needed to happen. At this point, you aren't responding to my argument at all, just repeating the same thing over and over.

edited 6th Jan '18 4:49:36 PM by Saiga

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74689: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:48:57 PM

[up][up] Manga pacing can matter just as much, mainly because you yourself need to turn the page so you need to be constantly invested. You can't just let it play.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74690: Jan 6th 2018 at 4:58:25 PM

No, an anime can have better pacing in respect to the content it covers. Super's just... doesn't. Also it's not fair to say you can't compare the two mediums when you started comparing them.

I'm NOT invalidating that, and I'm not saying it needed to happen. At this point, you aren't responding to my argument at all, just repeating the same thing over and over.

Not to the point when the arc is over in one medium & it isn't for the other. I haven't seen anything done better in terms of pacing for the Black arc that make it superior to the anime.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74691: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:03:01 PM

I'm not really sure what you're attributing to bad pacing here, but release schedule can't reasonably say that different schedules unilaterally equals better or worse pacing.

The anime got like four episodes out per month, to the manga's one. That alone doesn't mean the anime's pacing is better, because that says nothing about the pacing of the actual story or its content.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74692: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:14:00 PM

Then you tell me why the Black arc had to be nearly a year long run? That final fight didn't have drag out & shill how Goku is the only one can do anything in the world of DBZ.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:14:10 PM by agent-trunks

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#74693: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:19:33 PM

It only lasted like 5 to 6 months? That's nowhere near "nearly an entire year".

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74694: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:19:38 PM

The fight would have "dragged" no matter who was getting "shilled".

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#74695: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:20:57 PM

Let this beautiful Vegeta vs Cell Jiren fight begin the new year. note  Takahashi and Shida, don't fail me...

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74696: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:24:29 PM

I just so happened to have finished the Black arc just now.

As far as I'm concerned, that last bit just didn't happen. Black was beaten by Trunks all hyped up on FRIENDSHIP, and that's final.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:25:02 PM by Kayeka

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74697: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:26:14 PM

As far as I'm concerned that's even stupider than the timeline being destroyed.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74698: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:28:55 PM

Stupider, but less depressing.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74699: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:31:03 PM

Though TFS sure made the Spirt Sword so amazingly fucking awesome.

Ya can't go wrong referencing G Gundam. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74700: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:31:34 PM

Downer Ending is fine...

Not everything can be happies...

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