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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#74651: Jan 6th 2018 at 11:59:49 AM

A universe free of ningen.

And of himself, but hey, take what you can get.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74652: Jan 6th 2018 at 12:46:18 PM

He is the only character that matters.

Seriously you don't have to try so hard so hard by adding in little kids. No one likes kids.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74653: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:36:54 PM

I primarily felt "eh" because of Arc Fatigue, as at that point I felt the arc had going through about three or four "nyahaha! I'm not defeated after all!"s too many and the consequences of Black / Zamasu's actions started to feel less worthwhile.

The way they handled Mai and Trunks' conclusion kind of clinched it, too.

edited 6th Jan '18 1:38:55 PM by KnownUnknown

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#74654: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:38:07 PM

[up][up]Trunks likes kids...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74655: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:47:33 PM

The human survivors provided absolutely nothing but 'eh' in their appearances.

Even if they hadn't died in the end, I'd still feel nothing. They're nobodies who just waste screentime.

The survivors could make sense if, instead of ever approaching Black, they were just a network of people who constantly scavenged supplies/food to make sure Trunks was as well supported as he could be. Even then, we just don't need to spend time on them. It's a complete waste.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74656: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:51:54 PM

I mean, the main problem is that Black's motivation for keeping such a small pocket alive is only in the manga (he needs to fight F. Trunks in order to break in the new body). He was basically not trying to kill them all at once.

edited 6th Jan '18 1:52:17 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#74657: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:54:05 PM

I haven't watch the episodes, but I thought in the anime he was intentionally taking his time because he wanted to savor the whole process of killing everyone. That's a reason, it's just a really sadistic one.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74658: Jan 6th 2018 at 1:57:54 PM

[up]

I thought that too, but I believe it was because he wanted to avoid harming nature. So if he just went around blasting large swaths of the earth to kill the small handful still left, he'd be doing just that.

That's why he tended to go for slowly hunting them down more individually...I think. That's probably bullshit.

The survivors could make sense if, instead of ever approaching Black, they were just a network of people who constantly scavenged supplies/food to make sure Trunks was as well supported as he could be. Even then, we just don't need to spend time on them. It's a complete waste.

I can get that. I mean, the idea of people trying to fight Black at first (with entire armies and the like) isn't an illogical thing, but after they inevitably fail, there really should have been nothing but people hiding in the dankest corners of the earth.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74659: Jan 6th 2018 at 2:32:59 PM

You know, I've been rereading the Red Ribbon army arc, and I've noticed that the major powerup of the arc (Korrin's training) is introduced before the guy to whom Goku will have to train to overcome is, and I think that's pretty cool. I think Dragonball should try that more often, it makes things feel more natural. Like, not all the time (mainly because it's a lot harder to plot it so it all clicks), but it's an interesting change.

edited 6th Jan '18 2:34:29 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#74660: Jan 6th 2018 at 2:44:24 PM

2-3 hours until Vegeta's most magnificent jobbing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74661: Jan 6th 2018 at 2:47:24 PM

Keep your fingers on the speed-dial cause Vegeta's about to be violtaed.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74662: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:03:39 PM

I haven't watch the episodes, but I thought in the anime he was intentionally taking his time because he wanted to savor the whole process of killing everyone. That's a reason, it's just a really sadistic one.

There's actual no real reason to believe isn't the case either. Black/Zamasu is probably tied with Freeza in terms of how evil they are. Two of them just happens to be much more engaging than the other.

Also regarding the human during Black/F-Trunks arc, as stupid as it is to see them even fighting Black, F-Trunks needs something to fight for.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74663: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:05:02 PM

He already has plenty to fight for. You don't need to toss in some really shallow characters for that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74664: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:09:02 PM

What, like his mom?

That ship sailed.

I suppose him just generally fighting for the future he'd already worked so hard to save, as well as for Mai (when she turned out to be alive) can work.

Honestly, I don't think these people need to be cut, just executed better.

edited 6th Jan '18 3:09:15 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#74665: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:09:06 PM

A lot of fiction seems to falsely assume that "I don't want to die" isn't an extremely good reason for fighting.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74666: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:10:39 PM

[up][up] The people of his future still exist even if we don't see them and even if they're strangers to Trunks. Is he really so callous to go "you know, I don't actually know every person on this planet that I previously saved. Black can just kill all of them, and then me" ?

Also cut Mai as well. Another waste of time and the past/future interactions are cringeworthy by involving her.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#74667: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:13:44 PM

Also cut Mai as well. Another waste of time and the past/future interactions are cringeworthy by involving her.

...you know what? Since I hate everything about the Mai / Trunks shit ship no, I was right the first time, it's shit.

Anyway, I'm gonna now agree with everything you said, just so that we can pretend Trunks and Mai never happened anywhere. May in burn in eternity, writhing in pain for all time, never forgiven for existing.

So yeah. You made your point.

One Strip! One Strip!
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74668: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:21:09 PM

I think a lot of the problems with the Future Trunks arc would be fixed by just not having his timeline die at the end.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74669: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:33:15 PM

Also cut Mai as well. Another waste of time and the past/future interactions are cringeworthy by involving her.

Present-Mai yes, Future-Mai is a different story. Although, I put more my own Head Canon on that & say that's Mai's child instead.

I think a lot of the problems with the Future Trunks arc would be fixed by just not having his timeline die at the end.

That was biggest Ass Pull I've seen yet. It so much worse than Naruto's & Bleach has ever done.

edited 6th Jan '18 3:33:29 PM by agent-trunks

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74670: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:34:56 PM

Yeah that's definitely true. I don't exactly know how you'd end it.

As pointless as that ending was, it served some purpose in paying off the Zen-Oh button, bringing him a friend, and why you don't mess around with him. But I don't think the Zen-Oh button was a good idea to begin with, and it may have been better not to reveal how dangerous he is until the current arc.

Actually, depending on how the Zen-Oh situation is resolved, it may not have even been a good idea to have him be so dangerous. Because right now I'm not confident that they plan on really dealing with that.

edit: no, Future Mai is the one I'd cut. It's so ridiculous and unneeded, and it heavily overshadows Future Bulma's own importance to Trunks which is just terrible.

edited 6th Jan '18 3:37:57 PM by Saiga

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74671: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:38:33 PM

My biggest problems with the Black arc is the maddening pacing, which the manga mostly fixes.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#74672: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:38:48 PM

Nah, I liked how the Trunks arc has ended, the annihilation and all. I would preferred if Trunks stayed tho.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74673: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:39:26 PM

Whats funny is that the Black arc is still shorter than the shortest Z arc.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74674: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:39:46 PM

Trunks staying in the main timeline would at least give SOME point to his timeline being destroyed and avoid the really awkward Replacement Goldfish timeline that shows how little anything really matters to him.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74675: Jan 6th 2018 at 3:45:34 PM

As pointless as that ending was, it served some purpose in paying off the Zen-Oh button, bringing him a friend, and why you don't mess around with him. But I don't think the Zen-Oh button was a good idea to begin with, and it may have been better not to reveal how dangerous he is until the current arc.

That's absurd, we already been told Zeno could wipe the multiverse & Beerus's fear just strengthen that evidence. We didn't need to be shown how powerful Zeno at the expense of F-Trunks's timeline. Especially since we already have the TOP to show that.

The Zeno button is about as literal as a Deus ex Machina can get & this even factoring a franchise that base on a nearly all-granting wishing orbs.

My biggest problems with the Black arc is the maddening pacing, which the manga mostly fixes.

As subjective it might be, that's not true. That arc drag longer than it did in the manga & the only good thing they did better was there's only 2 time travels. Oh wait, it's not a time machine, it's actually dimension traveler machine but we're still call it a time machine anyways.

edited 6th Jan '18 3:53:03 PM by agent-trunks


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