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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74427: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:49:48 PM

When was the last time anyone got thumped?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#74428: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:53:44 PM

Be the change you wish to see in the world

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74429: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:54:39 PM

[up][up]Dunno. Let's just make the last time right now

slimcoder you are a meaniepants

edited 4th Jan '18 10:55:06 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#74430: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:56:01 PM

This thread doesn't seem toxic so much as very polarized.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74431: Jan 4th 2018 at 10:58:04 PM

I mean whats an example of a toxic thread?

We haven't really devolved into outright insulting each other.

[up][up] Well until now you doodyhead. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74432: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:01:10 PM

Yeah this thread is definitely not toxic. The issue is that the thread's topic tends to be a piece of media that isn't very... good. So of course there's going to be a lot of criticism in this thread, causing negativity from those that do enjoy the media.

Not that either side is inherently wrong, mind you. But it's important that thread members let their feelings overtake what is presented.

edit: A toxic thread would be one where divisive or otherwise different opinions are entirely shut down without merit and/or members of the thread turn to ostracism and insults when presented with differing opinions. But it's generally only 1 or 2 members that cause a thread to be toxic since most people are generally decent.

A lot of YF threads get that way due to the nature of the subject of the threads (being talking with people), and I've seen a handful of the VG threads get that way with certain posters.

edited 4th Jan '18 11:07:00 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#74433: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:09:11 PM

Most toxic tvtropes thread I can think of offhand is UQ Holder. I don't know if it's still as bad as it was though. That one is/was toxic in the sense that it's constant unending bashing and hashing up of old anger over Negima's ending. I get it, UQ Holder is awful and the ending of Negima was a massive disappointment but wow guys, give it a break.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74434: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:18:33 PM

YF as a whole is fairly toxic due to it's hugbox mentality and any criticism is met with either a harsh thumping or general harassment from users in whatever thread you're in for being mean. Add in near constant drama both on and off site and you have a perfect recipe for toxicity.

It's a shame too, because it wasn't always like that and I met some of my closest friends through YF.

In any case there are a lot of ways for a thread to be toxic, and this one definitely hasn't reached that point in any way. As long as we respect others' opinions like we have been I don't think it will get that way any time soon. smile

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74435: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:19:32 PM

Wait what does YF stand for?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74436: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:21:31 PM

Yack Fest- it's part of the 'Just For Fun' series of threads here on TV Tropes. I recommend you don't go there.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74438: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:24:37 PM

Yeah I'm not even gonna ask what title's supposed to mean.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#74439: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:30:11 PM

Not to change the subject but regarding that hiatus, how long is the show that's replacing it supposed to last?

This song needs more love.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#74440: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:33:27 PM

Don't see anything hard to understand about the name. Yack as in chat, fest as in 'something that we do a lot of.' Though it doesn't sound very good and I don't think people use the word yack very often anymore.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#74441: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:34:11 PM

[up] Ahhhhh thats what yack means.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#74442: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:35:03 PM

[up][up][up]I do believe that is changing the subject tongue

I'd bet on at least 1 cour, so ~13 episodes (or about 3 months). Double that if they're going for a full 2 cour 26 episode season.

edited 4th Jan '18 11:35:46 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#74443: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:46:04 PM

[up]Ah. You know, I know that it's been of extremely uneven quality and padded to hell and back, but I'm still going to be bummed once this arc is over.

edited 4th Jan '18 11:47:37 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#74444: Jan 4th 2018 at 11:52:24 PM

[up]x2 and [up]: There is no confirmed hiatus at the moment, only speculating based on some dart-throwing theories of the public knows about this arc's ending month.

Also, it looks like the exempted G.O.Ds and Angels were replaced into U11 or U7's stands against their will, based on the surprised expressions from everyone involved.

edited 4th Jan '18 11:56:58 PM by XMenMutant22

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#74445: Jan 5th 2018 at 12:16:04 AM

Well, I wasn't going to say anything out of fear of divine retribution from the mods, but since Pushover was the one who originally brought it up...

Yea, I keep hearing from so many people outside this site and on this site how "toxic" this place is and how much it's an "echo chamber" and how we don't tolerate differing opinions. No...that's not entirely true, we don't tolerate poorly constructed, and misinformed opinions. However, because we're on the internet and people don't want to be wrong about anything...yea.

I mean for fuck's sake, it's a freaking television show. It's not life or death if you have to be corrected about something you may not know a lot about. Hell, I'd rather be corrected and accept being wrong than continuously swear that I'm right and get upset when nobody agrees with me. You can't be right without being wrong to begin with.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go vandalize some of these trope pages because a lot of iit needs to be corrected by absolute authority and knowledge.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74446: Jan 5th 2018 at 1:56:17 AM

Yeah, she defeated Ribrianne with a cliched power of love bit that made no sense. And even then she needed 17's help getting that far.

18 defeating Ribrianne was fitting since she's an actual woman of marriage. Or it would've been fitting if they didn't make Ribrianne such shallow character.

edited 5th Jan '18 2:02:18 AM by agent-trunks

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#74447: Jan 5th 2018 at 5:41:34 AM

Basically, considering 18 used to be just behind 17 in strength in the Cell saga the fact that his showings are considerably better in this arc is pretty noticeable.

Also, the anime needed more moments of 18 and Krillin using teamwork since "power of love" is a fairly cliche moment that can easily be done wrong.

As for the toxicity of these boards; I wouldn't say I've seen a toxic one in the anime section here. I do think people mistake a lot of other people disagreeing with them as hostility, but this is media, it's going to be subjective. I also think some people act like like the consensus opinion is always right, which again, it almost always literally can't be when it comes to media since a lot of it is subjective. If you can't handle people disagreeing with you, then this is not going to be the only site where you're going to get that.

edited 5th Jan '18 6:24:28 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#74448: Jan 5th 2018 at 7:12:07 AM

I'm not about to buy into the "the people disagreeing with us are just deluded into thinking we're toxic because they want to be right" angle, because I've seen otherwise too often, but I do think it's a case of people reading hostility into an energy that doesn't really have it.

This site does have a problem with elitism, it's true. We're very insistent upon our opinions, very serious about arguing them, and thus very condescending to people who don't agree with them or don't argue their own points in a way that measures up to us, leading to the trap of considering ourselves a more intellectual website because of it. And yeah, many of our threads tend to be dominated by central opinions, often because people who don't want to be part of said debates and analysis don't say anything - leading, arguably, to Opinion Myopia.

We're accepting of it from each other because we know each other, we're able to deal, and we know there's no real hostility behind any of this and that we're always willing to take a challenge on our opinions. But thinking objectively, I can buy that - from the perspective of a casual fan who just wants to talk about something they love - several threads on this site could be seen as rather unpleasant places to do so, including this one. And it's more pronounced in anime threads because the perceptions of a casual fan and those of more hardcore fans tend to be very different. We as a forum tend to be very hard on new users who don't act the way the rest of us do, expecting them to shape up quick or leave, and that possibly contributes to it as well.

But at the same time, I think our standards on civility keep us from turning as toxic as some other forums out there. We're never nasty, we're rarely unfair, and we have mods who ensure that if we ever are, someone is getting warned about it. I've left forums whose similar problems are far worse than our own in favor of this one in the past, and I haven't regretted those decisions since.

edited 5th Jan '18 7:15:14 AM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#74449: Jan 5th 2018 at 7:26:55 AM

I've felt the same way once upon a time, that maybe some of us can come off as elitist or authoritative on media just because this site is used to catalog storytelling ideas. That was a long time ago however, as I've since refuted that idea merely by exposing myself to more people here. So while I understand why the site may have garnered the negative rep it did on that front, it's not fair to paint the majority with that brush.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#74450: Jan 5th 2018 at 7:51:00 AM

I'm going to be blunt about this. If there's anything I learn from my time as a Fire Emblem fan, I'm not actually respecting opinion as so much as I am ignoring it. I discover that I have a major case of Opinion Myopia. I can somewhat understand some reactions but not to the point someone is actively hating something for an abstract reason. I honest to god don't like that part of myself, but the internet is such a god awful place to be at that I'm pretty applying Sturgeon's Law everywhere I go. Have I met decent folks over the years? Of course I have, but for it only takes a few rotten apples to spoil the entire barrel.

While I'm at it I might as well say this, I'm not really sure what people are expecting from DBZ these days. Half of times it seems like people are expecting some sort of excellent literature from such a simple series. It's really just a story that goes to Point A to Point B. I feel like people give this series too much credit & yet at the exact same time not enough credit. Guys like Beerus & Vegeta should've never been complex & yet they are. And the series is better for it. Yea, I know there's a bunch of contradiction in my rant, but I never said I was any better than internet or anyone else on it to begin with. :/

edited 5th Jan '18 7:51:56 AM by agent-trunks


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