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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73976: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:06:08 PM

That does seem to be what they were going with. It was mentioned in the manga that the universes participating in the tournament either had a level that was stagnant or worsening, and Universe 9 was said to have the lowest one and called a "garbage dump" or something.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#73977: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:09:13 PM

[up][up]That's exactly what it was (power level obsession).

We now know otherwise with U11 and U2, the universes with the highest mortal levels of the 8 competing in the Tournament of Power, being depicted with tons of bustling mostly peaceful metropolitan cities. U2 even banded together in Kumbaya, love, and hope upon learning that their Universe was in danger.

Combine that with U9 being depicted as a universe of slums and broken down cities, which erupt into unstoppable and uncontrollable rioting upon learning that their Universe is in danger, and it's pretty clear that Mortal Levels refer to overall quality of life in said universe.

edited 1st Jan '18 4:10:41 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#73978: Jan 1st 2018 at 4:54:23 PM

[up] That was Masako's theory as well, but I guess we won't really know unless we get to see one of the top 5 universes up close as a comparison.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#73979: Jan 1st 2018 at 5:24:33 PM

Of course, higher power levels could probably help raise a universe's mortal level, provided that the higher power levels are a result of technological innovation or anything like that. Like cyborgs or robotics.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73981: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:32:19 PM

I preferred the manga version of Hit's fight overall. There were things I liked in the anime - Hit's 'growth' as Goku kept pushing him - but much prefer that the manga kept the God transformations feeling strong and didn't have Hit stay at the same level of power despite Goku having multiple power-ups.

Also, God didn't beat Hit's timeskip in the manga - it shortened it, but was not powerful enough to completely ignore it. Hit also wasn't at full power and was confident his full power could stop God, which is why Goku transformed to Blue.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73982: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:34:23 PM

[up][up] At the very least she's gonna get the beat down of a life-time.

All this talk of the manga reminds me I gave the first two volumes of the series as a Christmas present to my best friend.

edited 1st Jan '18 6:34:36 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73983: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:37:28 PM

Damn Arha, you are flying through this shit

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73984: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:51:16 PM

[up]

I know right? I think it helps that he apparently skipped a lot of the filler.

Still though I honestly think he'll be caught up just in time for the next new episode.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73985: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:53:15 PM

[up] He should be.

He's at Kefla who appeared in only a handful of episodes ago.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#73986: Jan 1st 2018 at 6:53:45 PM

Zero hype for Kefla.

You can skip this battle.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#73987: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:10:43 PM

[up]Yeah it's nothing memorable tbh.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73988: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:17:09 PM

No fight that has Ultra Instinct should be skipped.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#73989: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:21:04 PM

Yeah, but that U4 final battle was the hype yo.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#73990: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:28:55 PM

[up]One of the highlights of the tournament for sure.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73991: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:29:59 PM

Man dude you see what that U4 guy did?

Unreal bro, unreal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73992: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:33:54 PM

Hope you like two more episodes for Kefla

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agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73994: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:37:16 PM

If it helps the final leg of the fight is a complete humiliation for Kefla.

It was both hilarious & awesome how Goku just playing with her.

edited 1st Jan '18 7:37:29 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#73995: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:41:41 PM

So anyway, about Kefla. Kale doesn't seem to contribute anything personality wise. This is basically just Caulifla but greener.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#73996: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:46:48 PM

[up][up]You think so? I liked that battle because even though Goku had the newest cool powerup they put several things in place to make it feel like a legitimate fight and not a curbstomp. Goku's dodging is great, but his strikes are weak and unable to do much damage to Kafla. Making things worse, he's rapidly running out of energy, so if he can't finish things with his next blow he'll lose Ultra Instinct and get creamed. Then Kafla unleashes her laser lightshow attack, completely filling the arena with lasers that will instantly kill Goku if one of them touches him, and they are shown getting very close, grazing off some hair. And then finally "can't dodge in midair", which Goku gets around with one siiiiick and creative maneuver.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73997: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:49:26 PM

All of that is probably ruined by how Kefla feels like she shouldn't be a threat to him at all, but is because of nonsensical shilling. That and I'd imagine that a lot of people were burned out already by the nonsensical fight between Goku and Califlau and Kale beforehand.

edited 1st Jan '18 7:51:13 PM by LSBK

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73998: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:51:03 PM

She only got Super Saiyan yesterday, but somehow her potential is so great that she's stronger than Super Saiyan God.

Despite that, she doesn't defuse immediately like Vegito, because... reasons!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73999: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:51:33 PM

It was still a curbstomp or at least near it. The moment Goku reached UI there was no hope for Kefla, she could not harm him & once Goku realized how to defeat her he went for it with laser precision being functionally unstoppable with Kefla's strongest attacks only able to do mere scratches. The fact it was an incomplete UI not the one he used with Jiren prover out of her league Kefla is.

It was an ass-kicking of legendary proportions.

edited 1st Jan '18 7:53:16 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#74000: Jan 1st 2018 at 7:56:01 PM

All of that is probably ruined by how Kefla feels like she shouldn't be a threat to him at all, but is because of nonsensical shilling. That and I'd imagine that a lot of people were burned out already by the nonsensical fight between Goku and Califlau and Kale beforehand.

Never have I been more glad I'm not so obsessed with what I think a person's power level "should" be.

Despite that, she doesn't defuse immediately like Vegito, because... reasons!

She was fused for like two minutes. Frieza time, remember?

The fact it was an incomplete UI not the one he used with Jiren prover out of her league Kefla is.

The one he used against Jiren was also incomplete.


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