I mean, I don't know about "minor" but it is something anyone has the potential to do. I don't think it should be something that defines or black marks a person forever. Sometimes people make mistakes, sometimes it's not even a mistake because it can lead to a better relationship and the timing just happened to be bad. (ignoring statistics about how often people who have cheated before tend to do it again, but still.)
edited 31st Dec '17 3:59:21 PM by LSBK
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Yes, it is an action. That still doesn't change my point on it soley being done to justify the break up.
And the characters in-universe reacting is irrelevant. The audience are meant to see Yamcha's action as bad so we don't dwell on Bulma and Vegeta suddenly hooking up.
The funny thing is that Yamcha cheating wasn't even needed. You could have just had them break up normally and everything can play out the same.
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Either that or Saiga is trying to justify how it's not a big deal to cheat on a significant other for some other reason. It's a big fucking deal, and indicates that something is either deeply wrong with the relationship or that the person doing it is a giant asshole.
edited 31st Dec '17 4:01:05 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
That's not cynical at all. It's realistic. Cheating happens, people move on.
That's not even getting into the fact that Japan is fucking huge about infidelity. A 2008 survey
had 20% of married men admit to cheating within that year. That's just the ones who admitted it! And that's marriage.
You really expect Toriyama to make a big deal of that to satisfy western readers?
No, I'm just being realistic. It does not take a gigantic asshole to cheat. Mistakes happen.
edited 31st Dec '17 4:01:29 PM by Saiga
Another survey
, from Japan:
Unmarried men who want to be unfaithful - 41%
Married women who want to be unfaithful - 23%
Unmarried women who want to be unfaithful - 19%
Married men who have been unfaithful to their partner - 27%
Unmarried men who have been unfaithful to their partner- 21%
Married women have been unfaithful to their partner - 13%
Unmarried women who have been unfaithful to their partner - 18%
Yamcha is not unusual.
edited 31st Dec '17 4:06:42 PM by Saiga
Wasn't this off screen anyway?
Who cares what the explanation was?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Damn. Why would you even give a survey on something like that?
Anyway, any thoughts on my Kaiouken / Spirit Bomb use the same concept instead of being two different techniques idea?
One Strip! One Strip!Because with the Ningen Survival Arc he's making it his explicit goal to erase every aspect of the losing universes whereas in the Ningen Extermination Arc he was just trying to get rid of the Zamasu infected universe specifically?
And the characters in-universe reacting is irrelevant. The audience are meant to see Yamcha's action as bad so we don't dwell on Bulma and Vegeta suddenly hooking up.
The funny thing is that Yamcha cheating wasn't even needed. You could have just had them break up normally and everything can play out the same.
I want a citation for the second claim, because I'm not seeing any evidence of it. The character's reactions are one of the ways we know what message the author is trying to convey, because it would be dumb to have your characters react in a way other than what you intend the audience to unless you have a way of pointing out those reactions as correct.
Seems more like knee jerk reactionism to me.
And yeah, Yamcha cheating isn't needed. Which is also why it just isn't a big deal.
I mean, I'm literally just spit balling. Unless I can get in Toriyama's head, I can't really say what his intentions were. But I think you're being rather dismissive in saying that because it doesn't matter, we shouldn't be questioning it.
Yea, it ultimately doesn't matter and I actually don't care that much, but that doesn't mean it's not worth talking about since we're on the subject.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I mean, wasn't there a thing where the voice actors of Bulma and Yamcah asked Toriyama "Hey, what's up?" and he laughed it off as "Hey, Yamcha's a cheater"?
Even if it's not meant to be taken super seriously it does seem like the cheating was added as at least a Hand Wave to explain why they didn't work out? Or did what I remember hearing about not even happen?
I agree with the first part. I suppose in the long run it's irrelevant since it's barely even made a plot point.
One Strip! One Strip!So anyway, are Universe 2 actually popular in Japan or was this Toei just being insane?
Oh yeah and Yamcha and Bulma's relationship felt incredibly shallow. I'm not surprised they'd break up or cheat or whatever. It happens.
Also, Hit should have told the U6 saiyans to chuck Jiren off the edge. Why did he not do that?
edited 31st Dec '17 4:45:23 PM by Arha

Also, I don't see any intention to make Yamcha look bad because no-one dwells on it or even criticizes him for it. Goku doesn't think 'oh what a dick' or anything of the sort.
edited 31st Dec '17 3:51:05 PM by Saiga