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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#73801: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:36:02 PM

That actually might be an interesting mechanic for a tabletop RPG character. Make a bruiser who focuses on Strength, and give them "Vegeta Syndrome", where they gain or lose Intelligence points equal to the difference between their Strength and whoever has the next highest Strength in the room.

edited 31st Dec '17 2:36:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73802: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:36:10 PM

I still see no issue with Yamcha cheating. It's pretty random but also incredibly minor and it's not like being unfaithful has to be a defining trait of someone to be possible. It just doesn't matter that he cheated. It's a completely insignificant detail to get upset over.

It reminds me of JJBA. Joseph Joestar is revealed in a later arc to have cheated on his wife and had an illegitimate child. He's my favourite character and that doesn't worry me at all.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73803: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:48:44 PM

I think intent is the difference here; Joseph cheating had natural consequences to having Josuke as the next Jojo, while Yamcha cheating was mostly done to have an excuse to have him and Bulma break up.

Its not really worth getting upset over I agree, but there was a clear intent on that detail being added.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73804: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:53:09 PM

I don't think intent matters at all. Because just like Yamcha and Bulma could have had another reason to break up, Josuke could have been descended from Jotaro or whatever (Stone Ocean wasn't for another two parts).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73805: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:53:24 PM

Ya know it make some pretty good sense if they used the reasoning that Yamcha let all the fame, power, wealth, & bitches that come with being a successful baseball star go to his head.

It ain't the first time a celebrity gets caught in an infidelity after all.

edited 31st Dec '17 2:54:06 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73806: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:55:27 PM

[up][up] That's...kind of ignoring my point. The cheating itself wasn't what I was focusing on, but the consequences for doing so. Yamcha cheating was only really done so Bulma could have an excuse to break up with him and get together with Vegeta and make Trunks.

Yes, there could have been a million other ways that could have been done, but I'm focusing on what actually happened and the probable reasons for it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73807: Dec 31st 2017 at 2:59:08 PM

Yeah I'm not seeing the difference in those comparisons. In both cases, the authors had a character cheat in order to achieve a specific consequence.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73808: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:02:52 PM

Yes, but one didn't lead to a pairing that was mostly thrown together for the sake of said consequence. Yea, you can argue that the fact that Bulma and Vegeta getting together doesn't ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things and was probably mostly done for the sake of shock value. But it was still a rather haphazard and random decision nonetheless.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:04:13 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73809: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:04:53 PM

I wonder if there's any more of Frieza's race out there.

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#73810: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:06:17 PM

Has it ever been suggested that Freeza's family genocided their own people?

I bet the rest of their species is still around.

''Xenoverse" has plenty of "Freeza Clan" people running around, for instance (yes, I know it's not really "canon").

edited 31st Dec '17 3:07:10 PM by DarkHunter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#73811: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:09:25 PM

Also, Josuke couldn't have been Jotaro's son because Jotaro was 17 in Stardust Crusaders and a huge part of Josuke's backstory is that he was like 7 at the time of Stardust Crusaders and was dying from being unable to handle DIO unlocking his Stand through his blood relation.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73812: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:15:56 PM

That's just a detail that would have had to have been detail, as that fell to the wayside anyway.

[up][up][up] Eh, originally they weren't a couple though. They only become a couple in the main timeline.

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#73813: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:19:25 PM

[up][up] Part of me has always wonder if it was necessary to make Josuke of blood relation to the Joestar line.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73814: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:20:52 PM

It's a pretty huge out of character thing for Yamcha though.

I mean, you don't even need Mistare pointing out the questionable logic of how things went to think hey, that doesn't seem right?

It's just Toriyama throwing something together to get the story to go in the direction he wanted. He didn't even try to justify it.

It would probably be even bigger character assassination if not for how the story draws so little attention to it. It's just like hey, that happened, and now we move on.

There's also the fact that yeah, maybe Yamcha is better off as is considering how...demanding Bulma was of him, and how easily she got jealous.

But once again, Bulma and Vegeta has turned out so damned well (I've rather liked their moments in Super...as it's one of the few things I have liked in the series that I don't have to jump through hoops over).

[up] That's a good question. I wonder, if Araki had thought ahead a little more if he'd have been willing to just give Joseph a second child who married Josuke's mother...or have Lisa Lisa have another child. She was said to have remarried post Battle Tendency.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:22:18 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73815: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:23:58 PM

Considering Bulma kinda treated him like shit that adds another reason for the affair.

At least Vegeta can handle her.

......... Huh I wonder what would have happened to Goku if Chi-Chi didn't immediately snag him.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73816: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:25:54 PM

Maybe Toriyama would have paired him with Bulma.

At that point, if Chi-chi wasn't around, it was either him or Launch.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73817: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:26:25 PM

It's not out of character. Yamcha has never shown a strong faithful streak like that, just because you like him doesn't mean he's perfect.

Toriyama didn't try to justify it because he doesn't need to justify shit. Yamcha cheated.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73818: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:26:30 PM

Eh, originally they weren't a couple though. They only become a couple in the main timeline.

Now you're just being semantic :V

[up] Uhhh, as the author of a story that he's trying to sell to an audience...yea, he kinda does. Yea, Yamcha cheated. There's still the whole "Why?" part of the whole situation though.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:27:28 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73819: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:27:57 PM

[up][up]

Really?

So you're saying because Toriyama never showed him to be faithful, then the cheating is 100% justified?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73820: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:28:30 PM

Yeap. Because cheating does not require any special trait at all. That's reality.

[up][up] No he doesn't, because cheating isn't anything special or unusual.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:29:23 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73821: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:28:48 PM

That reminds me of a funny joke they should do.

Have Goku & Bulma reminisce about old times & Vegeta finds out he was the first guy who saw her naked which leads him to get comically jealous.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73822: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:29:14 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't call Yamcha cheating "character assassination" but it does seem a bit weird to through it in like it was. It's not a super huge deal, so I'm not going to be super mad about it, but I get finding it a bit irritating.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:33:30 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73823: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:32:36 PM

But Toriyama has also said that Yamcha is still afraid of women.

So he goes from being terrified of girls, to finding one girl he can be with, to suddenly torpedoing that relationship by cheating, and that whole time he's still nervous around other women?

I mean, I guess maybe he got a little drunk, or something. I guess it doesn't matter, but I'm gonna continue to give the entire thing a side eye if you all don't mind.

New thought:

What if the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb, rather than being separate techniques, stemmed from the same concept of absorbing outside energy?

edited 31st Dec '17 3:32:55 PM by HandsomeRob

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73824: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:33:03 PM

[up][up][up][up] So you don't find anything unusual about a character who started out as a hopeless romantic and never really showed interest in other women after getting a girlfriend, suddenly being revealed to be a cheater to be the least bit suspect? At all?

[up][up] Calling it "character assassination" is irrelevant. The point is that there was a clear intention on the part of Toriyama to make Yamcha look bad so the audience feels better about Bulma dumping him and making Trunks with Vegeta.

No there is nothing wrong with that, it's just pointing out an intention.

edited 31st Dec '17 3:35:02 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#73825: Dec 31st 2017 at 3:47:02 PM

@ Yamcha: I just assumed that Bulma and Yamcha peacably broke up. You can end a relationship without it being bitter. It's not like their interactions later suggest a lot of salt

@ slimcoder: Canon-wise, does Freeza's race even exist? It's established that King Cold and Freeza are mutant hybrids. It's possible because of that any species related to him wouldn't look much like him.


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