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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#73351: Dec 28th 2017 at 3:46:06 PM

Well I just wanted a fusion victory.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73352: Dec 28th 2017 at 3:49:23 PM

Personally, I'm hoping for a tag-team father-son take down.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#73353: Dec 28th 2017 at 3:51:41 PM

I'm just waiting for Full Blanco del Calvo Ultimo Gohan to face El Thin Jiren in the final battle.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73355: Dec 28th 2017 at 3:56:50 PM

It doesn't have to punch any ridiculously large holes in the plot. The entire point of the Mafuba is punching above one's weight class and no upper limits were established except "Piccolo can redirect it if he sees it coming" and, "it only works for as long as the container is unbroken."

Having no upper limits is a problem. The container weakness isn't exploitable if you don't know about it, and even if you did it's not very relevant one-on-one. It's just too good NOT to use if it has no limits and can be used without dying. It's a niche move that becomes a more appropriate tool than what the characters actually do.

Having some limits keeps it useful in the circumstances it was used, and allows you to use it in the future if it becomes appropriate. Whereas making it a wonderous fix-all move means the characters have to decide they never want to use it, which is both unsatisfactory and means that you can never use it again without breaking that logic you used to justify not using it ALL the time.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#73356: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:00:57 PM

It's the same principle that says a fish in water is not wet

Wait, what? How is a fish not wet just because it's underwater?

...Are we all not naturally dry just because we live on the ground instead of underwater.

edited 28th Dec '17 4:07:29 PM by hardcorefakes

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73357: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:11:52 PM

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I do agree with this.

They do seem to have decided that the move is still very draining. I'm assuming that the reason it killed Mutaito and Roshi (the first time) when they used it was because they were both way too weak.

Still, I do agree that it needed more limits to prevent them from either spamming it, or just having them refuse to use it when they really should. Although up until this arc came along, the Mafuuba had only ever actually worked once (Zamasu doesn't count, because it didn't hold him very long, even if only because Goku forgot the sealing tags....and I'm still furious about that too).

Then again, do we really want another technique that can be no sold just be the other guy saying FUCK YOU! HIGHER POWER LEVEL!!!

One Strip! One Strip!
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#73358: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:16:22 PM

It's either that or have the Mafuba always be conveniently unavailable when an enemy show up that they can't beat. Be much more grating than Majin Buu, that I can assure you.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73359: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:18:33 PM

Yes. Unless the technique has a way to be potentially countered without prior knowledge, and enough risk to justify not giving it a shot against every enemy you face, it is best to have power levels be a limiting factor that justifies not being able to solve every problem the same way.

Edit: Yeah, the handling of Majin Boo is a good comparison. His absorption in particularly is incredibly useful, so don't expect it to ever be used again.

edited 28th Dec '17 4:20:36 PM by Saiga

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73360: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:19:27 PM

[up][up][up][up]Hm yeah upon further research I'm not sure why I initially thought that. Either way the original point stands: Water is not wet.

edited 28th Dec '17 4:19:45 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73361: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:23:55 PM

But seriously tho, Gohan performance this arc has been mediocre at best and it's so weird reading people who want him to instantly gain the power up Goku been working for through most of the super and have been trying to master for half his arc, but better and defeat Jiren. Gohan has done nothing to deserve the title of Multiversal Champion and handing it to him on a silver platter would be the biggest bullshit Super could cook up.

You underestimate the power of Gohan blanco my friend.

Gohan has been knocking people out left and right. He has, what, two universes being erased due to him knocking out the final members? What more do you want? The man is doing his job.

Universe 10 had no real notable fighters to speak of, so it's hard to quantify their power. Same with the Namekians. It's not really that impressive simply because we don't know how powerful his opponents are meant to be. Also, it's undermined by the amount of times he's needed to be bailed out by another party.

I don't want him to be god or anything, but he's been really inept when he shouldn't be is my problem.

I mean fuck, look at how Roshi and 17 have looked and compare their performances with Gohan's.

edited 28th Dec '17 4:25:36 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#73362: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:28:34 PM

"Then again, do we really want another technique that can be no sold just be the other guy saying FUCK YOU! HIGHER POWER LEVEL!!!"

Yeah, that was my problem with Hit's timejump. One of my other favourite techniques that has strategic uses is the Solar Flare. Power level doesn't affect it and it has real strategic uses.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#73363: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:33:25 PM

It's a pretty bad sign when I'm siding with Freeza. That kid should die. Even Freeza would make a better top god since at least you'd have to piss him off before he killed everyone.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73364: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:34:48 PM

[up]Context? After Zeno erased Universe 9, I assume.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73365: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:38:28 PM

That's the only context that would make sense.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#73366: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:42:02 PM

Zenoh erased Universe 9, everyone is shocked and Freeza is like 'the contrast between your cute voice and your appalling actions disturbs even me. I'm gonna be the very best top god like no one ever was.'

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73367: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:43:20 PM

I still don't get why the gods were surprised by that. They clearly knew he wasn't bluffing about all of this, he's done it before.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73368: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:44:37 PM

Denial is a strong & irrational thing so that's prolly why they'd couldn't believe him.

Also I will forever miss you Sorrel, you cute bunny girl. sad

edited 28th Dec '17 4:45:01 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#73369: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:44:51 PM

I think it was the timing that was surprising. No-one expected Zeno to erase the universes during the tournament, right after they lose.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#73370: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:46:13 PM

Now you know why Beerus shits his pants at the mere mention of Zeno.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73371: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:47:10 PM

Yea, it's all kind of sudden. They lose and instantly they "blipped". No fanfare, no nothing. They're just gone. It's really unsettling for just how abrupt it was.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73372: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:48:33 PM

They were given absolutely no time to process their deaths.

......... Well it be hard enough to process such an unfair & horrible death as it is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#73373: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:55:10 PM

The scary thing is that Zeno will just erase stuff without any malice as such. It's about as significant for him as erasing old files is for a human.

You underestimate the power of Gohan blanco my friend.

Good thing Toriyama doesn't know Spanish, or I'd be seriously worried. [lol]

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73374: Dec 28th 2017 at 4:58:25 PM

I mean, he;s a child

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73375: Dec 28th 2017 at 5:07:16 PM

The child thing extends as far as El Grande Padre's influence over him.

edited 28th Dec '17 5:08:16 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.

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