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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73051: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:01:27 PM

If you mean by getting his ass beat like a ragdoll then sure he contributes a lot.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#73052: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:02:12 PM

Especially Gohan. Going from one of the top fighters to a supporting cast member is one hell of a downgrade.

[up] He's still stronger than literally every major opponent that Goku fights. I mean he won three straight matches in Universe 6 vs. Universe 7. was the only one who actually made any progress towards fighting Beerus (even if it didn't amount to much)

edited 26th Dec '17 5:03:13 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73053: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:04:58 PM

I gotta state, its not that I don't like Veggie its just that I don't respect him anymore.

He's like a clown. Sure he gets a lot of screen time but its mostly him making a fool outta himself.

[up] Also I didn't like him taking a lot of the fights in U6 Arc. At least Hit kicked his ass like a bitch.

edited 26th Dec '17 5:06:28 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73054: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:09:43 PM

Fair enough. I was just pointing that out. You don't have to like Vegeta or even respect him, but he is the second main character of the franchise for better or worse. Popularity Power dog.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73055: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:12:11 PM

Bulma's Namekian wasn't used because adding a bunch of translation shit to conversations would do nothijg but drag things down

The Namekians need to speak 'common' to be able to meaningfully interact with Freeza's troops, since them not knowing Namekian is a plot point.

It wouldn't improve the story to try and work in Bulma using Namekian, except in a terribly formulaic 'you need to check these boxes for a good story' kind of way.

You could have her translate the wishes, but Dende can do that better and needs to be there anyway for his healing. It's much more efficient to use him and makes sense.

edited 26th Dec '17 5:15:09 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73056: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:14:06 PM

And it's not even like Bulma learned the entire language. Her being able to communicate meaningfully with it from the pieces Popo taught her would both add nothing of meaning, and come off as forced.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#73057: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:16:04 PM

Yeah, I was going to edit that in

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73058: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:16:50 PM

Well, the conversation was pretty far along by the time I got to here.

I had a whole bunch to say...then I noticed the broken record on the ground: Handsome Rob's greatest hits. All the same arguments, all the damn time.

In other words, I had nothing to add to this that wasn't my usual bullshit.

I will say this: when he does care enough about characters to use them, he does a pretty good job I'd say. Vegeta had a great arc, and the point about how it was better that Goku beat Frieza because that gave Vegeta a new goal, whereas he'd still be the same evil bastard if he'd done it himself is a good argument.

Welp, now to see how many more pages have come up while I was writing this.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73059: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:17:30 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Heh true. tongue

Huh I'm getting a nostalgic feeling for GT cause I liked Vegeta better there.

edited 26th Dec '17 5:17:50 PM by slimcoder

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#73060: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:18:44 PM

He can't get any respect if he's always getting his butt kicked....he's still had some impressive moments this arc though.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#73061: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:13:03 PM

People want Veggie to have a good showing...

If he wins, that's a bonus...

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73062: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:20:46 PM

Vegeta is perpetually doomed to be second best. The one time Goku wasn't the best, he still wasn't better than Gohan.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73063: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:22:28 PM

Well, he wasn't better than Goku then either. He was third place (not counting Cell, obviously).

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73064: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:22:28 PM

That makes it worse when you think about it. Goku is naturally better, and Gohan could be better if he cared about it. In other words, the only reason Vegeta is even second place is because Gohan let him have it.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#73065: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:25:53 PM

People want Veggie to have a good showing...

If he wins, that's a bonus...

Yeah there's a difference between getting your ass kicked in humiliating fashion and losing a fight while still giving a good hustle. Vegeta is no stranger to the former, but I'm guessing he'll end up doing the latter this time around.

edited 26th Dec '17 6:26:32 PM by Moth13

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#73066: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:29:17 PM

[up][up][up]I was talking about when Goku was dead. He was better simply by virtue of being alive.

edited 26th Dec '17 6:29:48 PM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73067: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:30:05 PM

Since when?

Vegeta not only losing, but doing so in an utterly humiliating manner is tradition. I don't expect them to break it any time soon.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#73068: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:38:50 PM

Vegeta would be totally obnoxious if he wasn't put in his place from time to time.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#73069: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:42:12 PM

What do you mean would be?

We've seen him as exactly that during the Cell Saga.

Vegeta: Ha ha bitches! I'm a Super Saiyan! <Gets rekt by 18> Ok, now I'm an ascended Saiyan <Lets Cell reach his perfect form, and then gets rekt again>

Vegeta getting what he wants when he wants it is never a good thing, at least until he's gotten something he didn't realize he cared for (a family).

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73070: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:17:39 PM

Vegeta is perpetually doomed to be second best. The one time Goku wasn't the best, he still wasn't better than Gohan.

For a brief, shining moment, he was stronger than Goku (and everyone else) when 19 and 20 showed up. I think.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73071: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:19:49 PM

I don't think he was stronger than Goku when the guy was sick.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#73072: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:20:51 PM

He was stronger than him for most of the saga...including then.

edited 26th Dec '17 7:24:32 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73073: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:23:57 PM

He actually was stronger than Goku iirc.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73074: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:24:11 PM

No, even after Goku wakes up he says that Vegeta is probably stronger than him, I think. I think Piccolo says something to that effect as well.

edited 26th Dec '17 7:24:48 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73075: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:34:55 PM

Yea, that's what it was. Goku said himself that Vegeta was stronger than him and that he'd stand no chance against the Androids.

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