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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73001: Dec 26th 2017 at 3:53:43 AM

Super Saiyan Rose 2 & 3. tongue

Just imagine all that pink hair & Black losing his eyebrows.

edited 26th Dec '17 3:54:05 AM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#73002: Dec 26th 2017 at 4:31:38 AM

Black wouldn't have any shown higher forms. He'd just be stronger in Rose than Goku and Vegeta are in Blue. Like, 1.5 times stronger or so.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#73003: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:38:32 AM

One thing I like about the manga is that it gives an actual reason for SSR.

I think whatever Vegeta has to diverge from Goku power wise it should take him out of Blue because honestly Blue just doesn't look that good.

edited 26th Dec '17 5:39:00 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#73004: Dec 26th 2017 at 5:58:10 AM

Eh, one line of dialogue explaining something that can be easily inferred isn't much of a reason.

Zamasu: "So when a deity surpasses the Super Saiyan God, instead of blue, his hair turns light crimson!"

Yeah, no shit Sherlock, did'ya figure that out all by yourself? Seemed obvious to me. Don't really need that one spelled out.

edited 26th Dec '17 5:59:10 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#73005: Dec 26th 2017 at 6:52:55 AM

Obviously, it would help, but I don't think Super Saiyan Vegeta would be strong enough to beat Freeza. Goku was fighting Freeza evenly against the same level of power that curbstomped Vegeta, and the gap between Freeza and Vegeta seemed larger than the gap between SS 1 Goku and 100% Freeza.

Would Vegeta give Freeza the time to power up to 100% though?

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#73007: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:10:13 AM

Vegeta kind of got way dumber about it in the Androids saga. In the Namek Saga he went for the kill as fast as he could.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73008: Dec 26th 2017 at 7:59:18 AM

That's because he knew he was out-matched. If he got Super Saiyan, he would let it go to his head and let Freeza power up just to stroke his ego.

And yea, it really stood out that Goku never fights Black in the manga as well.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#73009: Dec 26th 2017 at 9:24:43 AM

Wait, did Roshi never learn to fly? Why is Oolong dangling him from the roof? I get that it was a crane school technique but it doesn't seem to be particularly difficult if you've got the energy for it and his niche is supposed to be the guy with loads of techniques.

Also, someone needs to tell him that he shouldn't be molesting pets.

Oh yeah, I am definitely not going to like universe 2.

edited 26th Dec '17 9:32:50 AM by Arha

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73010: Dec 26th 2017 at 9:48:38 AM

Oooh yea, you might wanna learn to tolerate them. They stick around for a while.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73012: Dec 26th 2017 at 10:02:37 AM

I said tolerate, I never said not to hate. Control the hatred, don't let it control you.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#73013: Dec 26th 2017 at 10:03:59 AM

Distaste leads to hatred, hatred leads to power, power leads to happiness.

Flawless logic.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#73014: Dec 26th 2017 at 12:20:30 PM

Pretty much most of the fighters in Dragon Ball have a similar flaw when it comes to letting their opponents powerup or is it just Vegeta?

"Mai waifu."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73015: Dec 26th 2017 at 12:55:40 PM

Vegeta kind of got way dumber about it in the Androids saga. In the Namek Saga he went for the kill as fast as he could.

That's because Vegeta knew the power levels of his opponents (except maybe Frieza) ahead of time. You'll notice he goes out of his way to attack Frieza's forces while they're separate from one another rather than believing he can beat up Zarbon and Dodoria at once, for instance.

Ever since then, though, he's a Super Saiyan and thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. So of course he shows off and gets kicked in the face for his trouble.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#73016: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:12:14 PM

I mean, technically the precedent was there in Namek as well. For each new power-up Vegeta got, he'd get bodied by the next in-coming threat (Zarbon —> Recoome —> Freeza).

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73017: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:22:37 PM

Yeah, but even then, Vegeta was aware of his limits more or less. He could beat up Zarbon, but he didn't know about his transformation otherwise he wouldn't have taken the risk. He knew he couldn't beat the Ginyu Force and got Krillin and Gohan to come with him beforehand. Even against Frieza, he opts to team up before trying to fight him.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#73018: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:25:14 PM

Vegeta even specifically runs from a fight to try and get immortality before he has to fight Freeza.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#73019: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:39:59 PM

honestly i really like that cunning Vegeta and i think it's part of what made the Namek saga really good and memorable imo

That said I can't really say that post-Namek Vegeta is OOC given how he acts in the Saiyan saga. Just two sides of the same coin, really.

It would be nice if we got to see Namek Saga Vegeta again in Super, though I can't really imagine a situation that would call for it given that Vegeta answers to no one but Beerus anymore.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73020: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:08:02 PM

That's because Vegeta's only ambition is to get stronger, rather than usurping Freeza as a galactic conquerer. Krillin even says having a common enemy was all that was preventing Vegeta from going back to his prior ambitions.

Really, developing an obsessive rivalry with Goku was the best thing to happen to him.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#73021: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:11:30 PM

Which is partially why I didn't really buy into the complaint from that Frieza Arc breakdown awhile ago that Goku has no place in the arc.

I mean, if Goku doesn't beat Frieza then who should? Piccolo? Gohan? Both of those are only mildly fitting at best. And if Vegeta does it, the one who can stake the best personal claim for doing so actually does, he just goes back to being evil and killing them/trying to take over the universe himself at that point, and that's not actually better.

edited 26th Dec '17 2:12:09 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#73022: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:41:34 PM

Hey I found this English cover of the Ginyu theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQZhIspGeGc

Its pretty good, while its a direct translation so some of the lyrics will sound stilted (Ginyu Special Squad) the singer is giving his all in this one & its still a pretty damn awesome song.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#73023: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:49:43 PM

I mean, if Goku doesn't beat Frieza then who should?

Namek is largely set up as Gohan and Krillin's story. And Gohan DID help contribute to beating Vegeta in the last arc. I wouldn't have been opposed to another ensemble cast victory, even if that would mean ultimately abandoning the Super Saiyan idea.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#73024: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:55:57 PM

[up][up] Well, that breakdown wasn't saying that Goku should have never been the one to defeat Freeza, but rather out of all of the protagonists, he's the least involved with the action. I think that's a fair critique.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Arachosia from United States Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#73025: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:59:13 PM

The reason why Fusion said that Goku did not belong in the Namek arc is because he is barely a character here: he is used solely for the purpose of defeating the villains (first the Ginyu Force, then Frieza). Not to mention the execution being really repetitive: Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta hold the line until Goku arrives at the last minute. This happened twice in the same arc. The previous arc too.

If Goku arrived on Namek with Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma, then he would have gotten a chance to develop a connection with the Namekians, and in turn, develop a more antagonistic relationship with Frieza. On the matter of how he would have managed to close the strength gap: same way Vegeta did, through multiple fights.


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