One thing I like about the manga is that it gives an actual reason for SSR.
I think whatever Vegeta has to diverge from Goku power wise it should take him out of Blue because honestly Blue just doesn't look that good.
edited 26th Dec '17 5:39:00 AM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Eh, one line of dialogue explaining something that can be easily inferred isn't much of a reason.
Zamasu: "So when a deity surpasses the Super Saiyan God, instead of blue, his hair turns light crimson!"
Yeah, no shit Sherlock, did'ya figure that out all by yourself? Seemed obvious to me. Don't really need that one spelled out.
edited 26th Dec '17 5:59:10 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
Would Vegeta give Freeza the time to power up to 100% though?
Wait, did Roshi never learn to fly? Why is Oolong dangling him from the roof? I get that it was a crane school technique but it doesn't seem to be particularly difficult if you've got the energy for it and his niche is supposed to be the guy with loads of techniques.
Also, someone needs to tell him that he shouldn't be molesting pets.
Oh yeah, I am definitely not going to like universe 2.
edited 26th Dec '17 9:32:50 AM by Arha
That's because Vegeta knew the power levels of his opponents (except maybe Frieza) ahead of time. You'll notice he goes out of his way to attack Frieza's forces while they're separate from one another rather than believing he can beat up Zarbon and Dodoria at once, for instance.
Ever since then, though, he's a Super Saiyan and thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread. So of course he shows off and gets kicked in the face for his trouble.
Yeah, but even then, Vegeta was aware of his limits more or less. He could beat up Zarbon, but he didn't know about his transformation otherwise he wouldn't have taken the risk. He knew he couldn't beat the Ginyu Force and got Krillin and Gohan to come with him beforehand. Even against Frieza, he opts to team up before trying to fight him.
honestly i really like that cunning Vegeta and i think it's part of what made the Namek saga really good and memorable imo
That said I can't really say that post-Namek Vegeta is OOC given how he acts in the Saiyan saga. Just two sides of the same coin, really.
It would be nice if we got to see Namek Saga Vegeta again in Super, though I can't really imagine a situation that would call for it given that Vegeta answers to no one but Beerus anymore.
"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-MaeThat's because Vegeta's only ambition is to get stronger, rather than usurping Freeza as a galactic conquerer. Krillin even says having a common enemy was all that was preventing Vegeta from going back to his prior ambitions.
Really, developing an obsessive rivalry with Goku was the best thing to happen to him.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Which is partially why I didn't really buy into the complaint from that Frieza Arc breakdown awhile ago that Goku has no place in the arc.
I mean, if Goku doesn't beat Frieza then who should? Piccolo? Gohan? Both of those are only mildly fitting at best. And if Vegeta does it, the one who can stake the best personal claim for doing so actually does, he just goes back to being evil and killing them/trying to take over the universe himself at that point, and that's not actually better.
edited 26th Dec '17 2:12:09 PM by LSBK
Hey I found this English cover of the Ginyu theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQZhIspGeGc
Its pretty good, while its a direct translation so some of the lyrics will sound stilted (Ginyu Special Squad) the singer is giving his all in this one & its still a pretty damn awesome song.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Namek is largely set up as Gohan and Krillin's story. And Gohan DID help contribute to beating Vegeta in the last arc. I wouldn't have been opposed to another ensemble cast victory, even if that would mean ultimately abandoning the Super Saiyan idea.
The reason why Fusion said that Goku did not belong in the Namek arc is because he is barely a character here: he is used solely for the purpose of defeating the villains (first the Ginyu Force, then Frieza). Not to mention the execution being really repetitive: Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta hold the line until Goku arrives at the last minute. This happened twice in the same arc. The previous arc too.
If Goku arrived on Namek with Gohan, Krillin, and Bulma, then he would have gotten a chance to develop a connection with the Namekians, and in turn, develop a more antagonistic relationship with Frieza. On the matter of how he would have managed to close the strength gap: same way Vegeta did, through multiple fights.

Super Saiyan Rose 2 & 3.
Just imagine all that pink hair & Black losing his eyebrows.
edited 26th Dec '17 3:54:05 AM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."