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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#72976: Dec 25th 2017 at 5:57:18 PM

In sillier news, Future Nappa.

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#72978: Dec 25th 2017 at 6:22:51 PM

[up][up]i bet vegeta dies somehow

edited 25th Dec '17 6:23:13 PM by EpicBleye

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#72979: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:28:27 PM

Oh, yeah, he died in part one and stayed dead because somehow Vegeta was exempt from the "Wish back everyone killed by Freeza" wish, even though he was still killed by Freeza. It wasn't thought through very well.

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#72980: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:30:15 PM

wait

what

he was exempt from the exact same thing he was brought back by in canon? Where does he get this shit from?

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#72981: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:30:19 PM

Is Vegeta dying in these what-if scenarios common?

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#72982: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:34:43 PM

Vegeta dies in nearly all of them, yeah. Except for "What if Vegeta was the first Super Saiyan", I'm pretty sure. And I think Masako was rushing to get the first part out so it wasn't his best work. Like how, for some reason, Nail wasn't wished away with everyone else in the "wish everyone but me and Freeza off Namek" wish, meaning he somehow was able to help Goku escape Namek and therefore, Goku never learns Instant Transmission.

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#72983: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:40:50 PM

[up][up]It happens in nearly every what if video he makes, it's kinda hilarious.

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#72984: Dec 25th 2017 at 8:47:43 PM

Hell, in the What if Raditz was good videos, I'm pretty sure Vegeta is about to turn evil again. And maybe go Super Saiyan 4?

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#72985: Dec 25th 2017 at 9:00:34 PM

He did turn evil again...

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#72986: Dec 25th 2017 at 9:05:23 PM

Again as in a third time.

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#72987: Dec 25th 2017 at 9:11:36 PM

He's after the Boo saga?

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#72988: Dec 25th 2017 at 10:26:25 PM

He's at the Future Trunks arc rn actually.

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#72990: Dec 25th 2017 at 11:22:07 PM

I wasn't saying that. According to Sharknado, Vegeta was exempt from the 'bring back those killed by Freeza' wish in Masako's what if, even though he was brought back by that wish in canon. I don't see how that makes sense.

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#72991: Dec 26th 2017 at 12:27:30 AM

[up][up][up] Just about to start it, if I recall. We'll see where it goes in January.

edited 26th Dec '17 12:27:43 AM by SonOfSharknado

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#72992: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:34:28 AM

[up][up] Speaking of Vegeta and SSJ (and yes this a power scaling question), do you think Vegeta turning into a Super Saiyan would help against Frieza?

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#72993: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:38:45 AM

Obviously, it would help, but I don't think Super Saiyan Vegeta would be strong enough to beat Freeza. Goku was fighting Freeza evenly against the same level of power that curbstomped Vegeta, and the gap between Freeza and Vegeta seemed larger than the gap between SS1 Goku and 100% Freeza.

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#72994: Dec 26th 2017 at 1:42:18 AM

It's possible that Vegeta would end up weaker than Freeza but still win due to Freeza burning stamina faster. Freeza was burning through stamina much faster than Goku, and he started out pretty exhausted in comparison.

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#72995: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:00:01 AM

It's possible, but it'd be a much more back-and-forth fight than it was with Goku. Maybe it would work out similarly to SSB Goku vs Golden Freeza, actually.

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#72996: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:20:02 AM

Reading the Super manga, I realize something that really bothers me about its portrayal of the Future Trunks arc: Goku never fights Goku Black. At all. That's kind of bullshit. Goku is the main character of the series and the initial main antagonist of the arc in question is an evil god who possessed his body and murdered his family... and they never actually fight. Logically, Goku should have more investment in fighting Black than anyone aside from Trunks.

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#72997: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:32:40 AM

I feel that Gohan should be part of the Future Trunks arc more than anyone else.

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#72998: Dec 26th 2017 at 2:56:12 AM

He fights the fused Zamasu, which is the main antagonist and still every part of Black.

Fighting Black solo is something he could have done if, rather than being defeated by Zamasu, Zamasu merely stalled until Black was able to fight Goku instead of being able to force Goku into retreat by himself. But that doesn't really help the pacing.

Otherwise, having Trunks learn the mafuba to begin with (not staying behind) so Goku is free to fight Black for the second trip would be ideal. But that doesn't work with the current set up, since you can't fit God-Blue in there unless Goku comes up with that and Complete Blue which would be lame. I never would have brought back God though, so the version I came up for the second trip would be significantly different.

[up] Also, yeah, was part of my idea. He'd be in for the second trip.

edited 26th Dec '17 3:20:10 AM by Saiga

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#72999: Dec 26th 2017 at 3:28:25 AM

Personally, I'd keep Blue Kaioken for Goku and make it so that Vegeta's way of keeping up is by unlocking the higher forms of Super Saiyan in Blue, e.g. Super Saiyan Blue 2 and 3. Have him use Blue 2 against Black after coming out of the time chamber. Aside from that, it'd be pretty similar to how the anime did it, except taking the "only two trips to the future" thing from the manga.

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#73000: Dec 26th 2017 at 3:51:04 AM

Would Black have any higher forms?

Also, Kaio-ken could track pretty well against the official Super Saiyan multipliers. I assume it'd be x2 compared to Super Saiyan 2 (since those are the same) and x10 compared to Super Saiyan 3 (10x vs 8x). The divergent evolution is neat as well, but I think that leads to too much power escalation (and I don't necessarily like Blue 2/3 since it has appeared in ALL the fan art/clickbait youtube videos).


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