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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7276: Jul 14th 2014 at 4:10:33 AM

Nothing like some dirty fireworks...

Man, Vegeta was so fuckin awesome on Namek. His killing spree on Namek resulted in him having the highest kill count of any of the main characters on the show and it still stand to this day, he slaughtered 11 different villains over the course of the whole show. Regardless, people still complain he gets treated like shit, some fans will never be satisfied. tongue

edited 14th Jul '14 4:10:51 AM by FireShadow

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#7277: Jul 14th 2014 at 4:38:49 AM

He also did the exact same thing to kill the Saibaiman who lost to Ten.

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#7278: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:21:41 AM

Vegeta was pretty cunning in the Frieza arc too. Too bad he went full retard in the next one.

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#7279: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:29:25 AM

I guess he pushed something other than his limits out, during 500G training...?

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7280: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:44:27 AM

When Vegeta became a super saiyan he was holding the Idiot Ball very tightly. Hell, that's the biggest issue when anybody becomes a Super Saiyan, you much more prone to holding the Idiot Ball. Which would explain why the Cell Arc is an Idiot Plot, there were four different Super Saiyan's in that arc, or five, if you include Cell. Ironically, the Buu Arc had even more Super Saiyans but the Z-Fighters or the villains weren't as dumb in that arc as they were in the Cell Arc.

edited 14th Jul '14 5:45:08 AM by FireShadow

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#7281: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:52:54 AM

I dunno, between Goku refusal to be useful until he had no other options, Vegeta going Majin, Gotenks being Gotenks and Gohan playing around with the villain too long after powering up again buu saga doesn't lack examples of sayians holding the ball.

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#7282: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:56:34 AM

Like we've already gone over, Majin Buu never would have been released if Goku and Vegeta weren't idiots.

And unlike in the Cell Saga, this time they literally had the God of the Universe screaming at them that they were being stupid and pleading with them to think of teh fate of existence instead of their egos.

The Buu Saga is the bigger Idiot Plot.

edited 14th Jul '14 6:57:20 AM by Nikkolas

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#7283: Jul 14th 2014 at 7:04:48 AM

@ Nikkolas on Frieza using TK on Kirllin to kill him, not understanding how that is.

Someone has never seen or the read the manga of AKIRA, have they.....

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#7284: Jul 14th 2014 at 7:34:13 AM

Too be fair to Goku, Vegeta was going to go on a killing spree unless he gave him his fight.

That being said, he did screw up by not immediately going Super Saiyan 3.

Then again, it's also possible that he held back, not just because he was enjoying the chance to fight Vegeta again, but also because he didn't want to make Bulma a Widow, and Trunks an orphan. He did notice that Vegeta wasn't completely under Babidi's control, and might have hoped to snap him out of it (which he did manage to do, although too late to stop Buu's awakening).

But yeah, lot of dumb going on in that arc.

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#7285: Jul 14th 2014 at 8:03:18 AM

Then again, it's also possible that he held back, not just because he was enjoying the chance to fight Vegeta again, but also because he didn't want to make Bulma a Widow, and Trunks an orphan. He did notice that Vegeta wasn't completely under Babidi's control, and might have hoped to snap him out of it (which he did manage to do, although too late to stop Buu's awakening).

That's what the Dragon Balls are for.

Really, Goku's behavior here is only justifiable if Majin Buu absorbs energy from damage inflicted on Majin Vegeta as well as Goku. If powering up to Super Saiyan 3 and vaporizing Vegeta in a single blast would instantly awaken Buu, then Goku is justified in trying to draw out the battle to buy time for Gohan and the Supreme Kai to reach Babidi and stop the awakening.

However, IIRC, it was explicitly stated that only damage dealt to the opposing fighters counted for awakening Buu; damage inflicted to Majin characters doesn't count.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7286: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:38:15 PM

[up]x4 The Android Arc would have never happened if they had listened to Bulma's idea but the majority of the Z-Fighters decided to Blood Knights for some reason. But of course if the Androids aren't activated then there is no motivation for the Z-Fighter to train as hard as they did when they were waiting for the Androids to debut and then Imperfect Cell arrives and curbstomps the Z-Fighters.

The Buu Arc is much trickier issue to tackle mainly due to fact that Goku had a limited, and I mean limited, amount of time on Earth. Goku wasted about 70% of his time on Earth going Super Saiyan 3 just once, he powers up into that form for any longer than a minute, his time is up on Earth and he goes to back to the dead forever. And people need to remember that Vegeta is one of the toughest bastards in the show. Even if Goku did go Super Saiyan 3, instant victory is not guaranteed. Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta got pummeled by Kid Boo and survived and Kid Boo was just as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku, hell, he's arguably even stronger.

And while Majin Boo wouldn't have been revived, Babidi can simply tell Dabura, "We nearly have enough energy to revive Majin Boo, beat up that young Super Saiyan again a little just to make sure." Then Buu is revived, Goku isn't around to teach Goten and Trunks the Fusion Dance because he only did that after his fight with Vegeta and Majin Boo, Majin Boo kills everyone... THE END.

edited 14th Jul '14 12:40:17 PM by FireShadow

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#7287: Jul 14th 2014 at 12:59:11 PM

Of course Goku could have just ignored Vegeta, teleported to where Babidi was, killed him and Dabura and be back before Vegeta stops ranting at him for running away.

But yeah, I remember Bulma calling Goku out on just doing whatever he wants when he said he rather fight Androids than find Gero. Of course everyone ignored her.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7288: Jul 14th 2014 at 1:28:58 PM

[up] I personally think it would have been out of character for Goku to ignore a fight from Vegeta and I think Babidi would have used a spell to make Goku explode or Dabura would have would have spit on him and turned him into stone if either of them realized Goku was trying to attack them. tongue

edited 14th Jul '14 1:30:39 PM by FireShadow

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#7289: Jul 14th 2014 at 2:11:47 PM

Babidi couldn't even kill Piccolo with his magic, he ain't doing shit to Goku. And Goku already saw Dabura's spit so he ain't falling for that.

But yeah it would have been out of character for Goku to do that.

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#7290: Jul 14th 2014 at 4:09:31 PM

Why Goku is stronger than Vegeta.

Thoughts?

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7291: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:11:54 PM

[up] The guy in the video actually brings up a quite a few good points. But I must ask... why do people try to pin point the exact strength of characters in Dragon Ball Z? It's damn near impossible to do that, especially with the Saiyans who consonantly either hold back their power, overestimate their power, underestimate their opponents power or overestimate their opponents power. Goku and Vegeta are major offenders of these characteristics, especially once Freeza debuts. A Saiyan's strength, more specifically a pure blooded Saiyan's strength, is limitless. You thought Super Saiyan was the pinnacle of a Saiyan's strength? Well now there's Super Saiyan 2... no wait, now there's Super Saiyan 3... well screw that no we got Super Saiyan 4... now forget that even existed because there is a Super Saiyan GOD. You see the trend?

edited 14th Jul '14 5:29:00 PM by FireShadow

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#7292: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:22:41 PM

Because nerds like to do that.

It makes it easier to tell who would win in a hypothetical fight.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#7293: Jul 14th 2014 at 5:35:16 PM

Which is why I never take DEATH BATTLE! seriously. Screw Attack's calculations and reasonings for certain characters winning are always such bullshit, especially when it comes to comic book characters.

edited 14th Jul '14 5:51:31 PM by FireShadow

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#7296: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:19:58 PM

Goku being stronger than Vegeta is....rather self-evident.

Vegeta is WAY down the power ranking at the end of Z. Counting fusions and transformations, he's lucky to get 10th place.

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#7297: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:29:07 PM

I didn't say that he was, I posted a video saying why he was.tongue

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#7298: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:38:02 PM

I realize that. I just don't know why anyone would make such a video.

"I made this video to conclusively prove that, yes, water IS wet."

You Tube is a weird place.

EDIT:

It has over a 1,000 Likes too!

edited 14th Jul '14 6:39:09 PM by Nikkolas

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#7299: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:44:14 PM

You don't get the point, do you?

He's not proving water is wet, he's saying why water makes things wet.

And besides, Vegeta should be (and was) stronger than Goku, because he's naturally stronger than Goku. The video explains why he's not.

edited 14th Jul '14 6:47:05 PM by BaconManiac5000

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#7300: Jul 14th 2014 at 6:48:54 PM

But this is why I think the video is unnecessary.

Goku = Super Saiyan 3.

Vegeta = Super Saiyan 2.

3 is greater than 2 and 2 is greater than 1.

I mean...I guess I just figured everyone always knew Goku was way stronger. DBZ power levels are anything but subtle. Who's stronger and weaker is usually super-transparent.

edited 14th Jul '14 6:49:32 PM by Nikkolas


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