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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72776: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:20:38 PM

I do admit, Gohan is lasting way longer than I expected him to given he's looked rather....terrible in this arc.

The real darkhorse however is 17, who somehow made it to the final fight between the two universes. Somebody on the staff must really like him lol.

[up] That felt extremely odd to me. Jiren can shrug off Kaioken Blue x20, and fight even with an untrained UI Goku, but Vegeta is pushing him back with just Blue alone?

Good ole Super, fuck Power Levels am I right.

edited 23rd Dec '17 6:23:32 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72777: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:26:14 PM

Eh, Hit knocked Jiren back with one heavy punch, and he's weaker than Vegeta is, physically. Goku also didn't use Kaioken during much of his fight with Jiren, most notably in the first punch which knocked Jiren back half the arena's length and his Kamehameha, which Jiren was surprised at and bothered to dodge.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#72778: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:27:52 PM

Inb 4 Jiren is using 1% of his ppower to fight Vegeta.

Speaking of 17, does he has to use his forcefield for everything? Like I get it, it's his signature move, but geez.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72779: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:31:17 PM

I mean, he used it all of once originally. But Super gonna Super.

And yeah Jiren's power has been consistently inconsistent, mostly because Kaio-ken.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72780: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:31:22 PM

SUPER WANTS TO REMIND YOU THAT THESE CHARACTERS HAVE SIGNATURE MOVES, BECAUSE THEY DO HAHAHAHA.

God, this is one of the areas I prefer the manga. At least there's proper choreography there and not just spamming the same move.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72781: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:33:57 PM

wild mass guessKaioken does not actually have any effect on Super Saiyan Blue, Goku just uses it to psyche out his opponents.wild mass guess

edited 23rd Dec '17 6:34:05 PM by LordVatek

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#72782: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:37:07 PM

Shield is way more fun of a signature move than "differently colored beam" so I'm fine with it showing up a bunch.

Next episode: Vegeta kicking Jiren in the gut isn't that farfetched. Remember that Ultra Instinct against Jiren was actually weaker than Goku's Blue Kaioken, and he still knee'd Jiren pretty nice.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72783: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:37:56 PM

That episode looks beautiful. [tup] [awesome]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#72784: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:48:02 PM

[up] And January's episode looking pretty sweet as well, base on the preview itself:

    Yuya Takahashi returns with Naotoshi Shida. 

Jiren's holy crap expression at the end of the promo is so well drawn. ]

So Anizara's part Janemba too? I love that fusion even more. Wasn't expecting Mosuko to be piloted, which is hilarious none the less.

edited 23rd Dec '17 6:49:31 PM by XMenMutant22

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72785: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:55:53 PM

As much as 17 spamming the energy shield is overused, at least it's used interestingly with how he moves through the attack.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#72786: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:57:02 PM

[up] Yeah, like someone here mentioned, it's better than using different colored ki blast #100.

Now I'm just wondering who's smarter between Dr. Gero and Dr. Paparoni.

edited 23rd Dec '17 6:57:47 PM by hardcorefakes

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72787: Dec 23rd 2017 at 6:57:12 PM

The shield stops being interesting when it shows up all the time.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72788: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:00:46 PM

I merely said how it's used. It's not like Piccolo spamming the Hellzone Grenade or Makanposappo for the same use every time.

Having different uses for the same attack at least feels like it has some utility beyond just blowing shit up.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72790: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:03:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] Imagine what Gero could make with Paparoni's tech & resources.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72791: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:04:21 PM

[up][up]Yea, but I don't care what Saiga thinks :V Kuzu's opinion is the only one that matters.

edited 23rd Dec '17 7:04:32 PM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72792: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:04:47 PM

That wasn't directed at you, that was to Moth. I didn't see how the thread moved.

I agree that 17's using it in a better way than spamming the same old moves, but it's such a departure to how he previously fought that the end result is off to me. I don't like Super having radically different style of fights without much explanation behind why everyone fights differently now.

edited 23rd Dec '17 7:05:42 PM by Saiga

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#72793: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:05:21 PM

That was to Saiga. Y'all move too quick lol.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#72794: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:06:52 PM

The editting of the NEP could be misleading. Vegeta lands a blow but it could still end with Jiren not actually budging.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#72795: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:07:34 PM

@slimcoder

Well, I was going to say that Gero'd have creations to work with that, when combined, are at least SSB+ in strength.

But then I remembered one of his cyborgs became a god by fighting poachers, so I don't even know.

edited 23rd Dec '17 7:07:58 PM by hardcorefakes

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72796: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:07:45 PM

I mean, we all expect Vegeta to lose. At least he gets to look good going out though.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72797: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:08:32 PM

@Jedi It should be fairly apparent I am only taking about myself.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72798: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:10:23 PM

[up][up][up] Well at least Gero's creations can self-evolve.

I'm more supportive of Vegeta knowing he's fighting to give Goku more time than actually trying to take out Jiren.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#72799: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:12:06 PM

That... was underwhelming. And while Super has it's many problems, I honestly rarely say that. It felt like they designed Aniraza to be incredibly powerful and have very interesting powers, and then realized that they wrote themselves into a corner they didn't have the time to get out of, so they just had him fall right abruptly as they were building him up. It's all really rushed: "Aniraza's faster than all of us! Aniraza can teleport punch! Aniraza can eat people! Aniraza can fly! He's got a superpowerful blast! Oh, he's dead, never mind."

And nothing ever came out of the eating people thing beyond giving us another excuse to put our one female member in jeopardy (after which point she immediately sacrifices herself anyway). He doesn't even try to do it again, even though the characters hype it up as a superior strategy. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't already have tons of battles just like this in this arc already: literally the only thing any of that accomplished was getting rid of 18, which doesn't feel like it was worth dedicating an entire episode to justifying.

edited 23rd Dec '17 7:15:19 PM by KnownUnknown

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#72800: Dec 23rd 2017 at 7:14:30 PM

Though yeah, now that it's down to two universe, this arc felt more like a gauntlet than an actual tournament. Like, if they really wanted to hype up Universe 11 as the final bosses, I feel like they should have eliminated a couple of the universe themselves.

Like in this episode, have Jiren be the one to eliminate not!Hatchiyack.


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