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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72426: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:35:48 PM

[up][up][up] That leads me to a thought.

Whats with the Egyptian theme with these Gods?

edited 18th Dec '17 10:36:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72427: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:36:09 PM

I liked Koichiarator's design, and I thought it was a great pay-off to multiple episodes of subtle foreshadowing.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72428: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:41:54 PM

Arha, the Gods of destruction are all wearing an Egyptian inspired garb. Why are you questioning one of them fitting in with the thematics?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72429: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:44:16 PM

Are they? I've only given them a really quick glance. She's just the one that I saw in passing during the exhibition match that made me go 'why is she so Egyptian?'

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72430: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:45:28 PM

She's the only female, which means she's got more garb.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72431: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:45:33 PM

Their clothing has always given off an Egyptian vibe.

Beerus being a hairless cat just further sells it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
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#72432: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:45:50 PM

[nja]

edited 18th Dec '17 10:46:18 PM by TwistedGear

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72433: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:46:53 PM

Because Beerus doesn't look nearly as out of place to me.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. I've barely even looked at them.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:47:20 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72434: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:48:49 PM

He still looks Egyptian though & still looks fairly weird against the rest of the cast.

When I first saw him all those years ago my first thought was "Wow is he an Egyptian cat?"

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72435: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:51:31 PM

I guess I did kind of feel like Heles looked like she wasn't actually a Dragon ball character. Her design is also the only direct rip from Egyptian designs as far as I can tell. I mean, Beerus kindof looks like a mix of Baset and Anubis, but Heles is just straight up Isis.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72436: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:57:39 PM

She also doesn't have the DB female face...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72437: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:58:38 PM

Its the make-up.

She always freaked me out.

Jesus uncanny valley make-up indeed.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72438: Dec 18th 2017 at 11:07:02 PM

Still better than Arak. That design looks uncomfortable.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#72439: Dec 18th 2017 at 11:11:31 PM

A few pages back, while Bergamo's giant transformation is similar to the Great Namek form, the way it is achieved is quite different. Bergamo has to be inflicted with damage to grow stronger, as with the average warrior Namekian they can just will themselves to any size. Plus they do have other forms, such as Namekian Fusion, Super Namekian, Red-Eye Namekian and now Blue-Eye Namekian!

Also, my favorite gods are Beerus, Quitela and Liqour.

edited 18th Dec '17 11:11:57 PM by Rinsankajugin

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#72440: Dec 18th 2017 at 11:12:48 PM

In order.

Iwen is a furball, so unless there description of him looking like Shiva underneath is actually revealed, then he's the most boring so far.

Heles looks more Egyptian in comparison, and is really unconventional when compared to other DB females.

Mosco is a robot. Probably something like Magetta. Even his team look more designed than him.

Quitela. Worst design.

Arack. I actually like this one. While not conventionally attractive and initially off-putting, his description and showing in the manga makes it likely that Toyotaro was going for an old fasting monk.

Champa is basically fat Beerus, more for comedy then intimidating.

Beerus is the best designed one.

Liquiir is fine. Kind of cool.

Rumsshi is fine. I initially though he would be more of a wise old guy though.

Everyone goes gaga over Belmod for some reason, and that every clown character has to be a reference to Joker. It's not really that great, and I think they could have gone further with the clown design.

Geene. Fish guy. Seems like one of Frieza goons.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72441: Dec 18th 2017 at 11:22:44 PM

Iwen is an adorable fluff, I actually like his design in that it's a different sort of cat from Beerus and Champa. Araks design would probably bother me less if his face was less busy, Geene looks like the same species as that frieza goon that Krillin and Gohan fought. Wiki says his name is Sūi.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#72442: Dec 19th 2017 at 3:04:44 AM

Wonder how many Kamehameha Wave's Masako Nozawa is up to in Super alone...

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#72443: Dec 19th 2017 at 4:05:44 AM

Been a lot of stuff so far that I missed.

Only going to chip in that in terms of feeling like fanfic the Cell saga had the child of what was a crack ship at the time appear from the future with a unique hair colour and sword using a transformation previously unique to Goku...

In fact, you could basically cut between any two DB arcs after Piccolo Jr. is defeated and say that it feels like fanfiction, except between the Saiyan and Namek arcs since the one leads into the other. The Buu arc especially. We accept a lot of shit out of the Buu arc that we wouldn't have if it hadn't been around for so long.

Also, about Majin being translated as "Djinn" that's not actually a bad translation. Majin means "magical or demonic person" and having Buu as a demon would cause confusion with Dabura being a lot weaker so having him be a Djinn is actually a fair compromise and also fits his aesthetic.

edited 19th Dec '17 5:20:24 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#72444: Dec 19th 2017 at 5:55:34 AM

Also, "this guy is super duper evil because he's everyone mixed together". Cell's a fanfic-y idea that was executed really well.

The legend has returned.
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#72445: Dec 19th 2017 at 6:54:30 AM

But Arha thinks all fanfics are terrible by default.

But...

I'm a fanfic writer sad

On the topic of the Gods of Destruction, I've always been intrigued by Mosco's... existence. Who built it, and for what purpose? When and how did it ascend to godhood? Is its creator internationally famous for having built the universe's God of Destruction? How did Campari and Ea learn how to communicate with it?

edited 19th Dec '17 6:56:36 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72446: Dec 19th 2017 at 8:23:01 AM

[up]

So am I...kind of. My ideas are there, but I've written one thing so far. But I'm not gonna get into that.

Basically my stance on Super. It feels less like a real continuation of the series, and more like it's written by some more overzealous fans that want to give their favorites more screentime at the cost of actually making sense.

I wish they could have had it be a continuation of the series that gave those favourites more screen time AND makes sense, which could be achieved via taking advantage of all those times he sent Goku off on his own to show us the other characters doing something besides desperately trying to survive against a ridiculously powerful foe because Goku's not there.

But Toriyama isn't interested in doing that at all; he has his characters he cares for, and those guys aren't them. We need to accept that...even if it's really hard. It'd be nice if he'd thought of how to further develop some of them after their initial arcs, but he just got bored of them lightning quick and decided to focus on newer guys instead...while keeping the older guys around as fodder.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#72447: Dec 19th 2017 at 9:21:21 AM

I agree that the Saiyan arc is one of the weakest in Z, itself the weakest part of the series in terms of writing. The Humans and Piccolo literally accomplish nothing until Goku shows up. The Saibamen are disposable mooks and are just there to fill time and kill Yamcha, and nothing anyone does to Nappa matters whatsoever because he's still able to fight Goku perfectly fine once Goku shows up. The Saiyan arc also starts the shitty trend of Goku being absent for large sections of the story while the side characters accomplish nothing of value waiting for Goku to finally get there and solve all their problems. He doesn't beat Vegeta by himself, but Vegeta wasn't an active threat until after Goku got there.

If you turn it around the other way, Goku gets his ass beaten by the Saiyans twice after being said to have become stronger than before and has to be saved by his son. Twice.

I don't think the Saiyan Arc was that bad.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#72448: Dec 19th 2017 at 9:44:59 AM

Out of all of the Z arcs- heck, all of the arcs in Dragonball period, maybe not counting the Cell and Goku Black arc for obvious reasons - the Saiyan Arc may be the one where Goku has the *least* involvement in beating the final villain. Yes, he plays the biggest role and kills Nappa and fends off the Galick Gun, but after that it's up to Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe to run interference. Even his Spirit Bomb doesn't kill Vegeta (though it wears him down a ton.) In the Freeza arc they're not able to do any damage whatsoever to Freeza until Goku gets Super Saiyan. Heck, aside from Piccolo or Tien, every action taken by just about every side character in the Cell arc actually does more to help Cell than help beat him (until they all pitch in during the final beam struggle).

"The Saiyan arc also starts the shitty trend of Goku being absent for large sections of the story while the side characters accomplish nothing of value waiting for Goku to finally get there and solve all their problems."

Manifestly not true since the same damn thing happens in the Demon King Piccolo arc.

edited 19th Dec '17 9:46:10 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72449: Dec 19th 2017 at 9:56:23 AM

[up]Wait why not count the Cell Saga? Goku at least sufficiently ticks Vegeta off and gives him a lifelong obsession. Goku doesn't do anything against Cell except provide inspirational speeches.

This song needs more love.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#72450: Dec 19th 2017 at 10:02:05 AM

That's why I put it as one of the noticable exceptions to the rule?

Also, Vegeta gets his lifelong obsession with Goku in the Namek saga when Goku touches down and mauls the Ginyu force effortlessly. He wasn't massively obsessed with him in the Saiyan Saga since Vegeta basically won their combat.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

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