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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72401: Dec 18th 2017 at 9:46:59 PM

Huh I just thought of something.

When Bergamo makes it into Xenoverse 3 would his size-enlarging power be a teachable technique?

Wouldn't that take away the only transformation Namekians have?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72402: Dec 18th 2017 at 9:47:44 PM

Yeah Gohan's performance against Kuririn makes no sense, but you shouldn't skip the later parts because they're also stupid and I don't think you want to miss that. Kuririn's fight with Goku is so much dumber.

Anyway, it's unfair to say GT was written by someone who hates the series, from interviews it's clear they like the series as well and had their own idea for how to take things. After the black DB arc it has a lot less of the fanboy feel and tries to develop things naturally which I appreciate. It feels like it's trying to be a continuation rather than a greatest hits nostalgiafest.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72403: Dec 18th 2017 at 9:55:34 PM

Personally, the Krillin and 18 recruitment episode is one of my favorite episodes of Dragon Ball. But whatever, nobody's going to fucking convince anyone of anything, so having this conversation is useless and circular. Don't bother responding to this part, I'm not interested anymore.

How old would you say the U6 Saiyans are? They always struck me as around the same age as Gohan: early 20s. Some people apparently think they're teenagers, though.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72404: Dec 18th 2017 at 9:56:35 PM

It's kind of bad form to give your opinion and then tell no-one to respond to you. It's like trying to get the last word in.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72405: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:00:38 PM

Hm. I didn't expect people to view that 'Super is a mediocre fanfic comment' as anything but a stealth insult, but I guess I haven't been insulting enough to fanfiction as a whole lately. Though I would have thought calling an official entry of the series fanfiction would have clued people in.

Oh well, if people didn't get or ignored the insult then it's on me for not being clear enough.

PMC: Please don't state an opinion and then say 'Don't respond to this.' It comes across as pretty immature. If you want to get that same idea across with less hostility you should probably say something like 'That's all I wanted to say on the matter, I don't want to start another argument.'

edited 18th Dec '17 10:01:48 PM by Arha

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72406: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:01:03 PM

Convincing people of something is a lot easier when that "something" isn't subjective...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72407: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:04:24 PM

[up][up] I got it!

I just thought calling it a decent fanfic was unfair

Now, terrible fanfic...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72408: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:07:21 PM

Well a fanfic feel is expected so as long as its decent its a compliment so you have to specify it has the "bad" fanfic.

[up][up][up] Curious question: Any of the God designs you like? Like you know a simple "huh this guy looks decent."

I like the fox(Liquor) & the fishman(Gene) looking guy.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:07:59 PM by slimcoder

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72409: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:07:44 PM

But Arha thinks all fanfics are terrible by default.

One day, the fanfic gods will have their revenge.

Or just angry fanfic writers will track him down. Whichever comes first.

Even as someone who thinks the humans got screwed (and has been responsible for more than a few I wish they were still ACTUALLY useful posts, I admit that this is a conversation that needs to have a noose wrapped around it's neck and hung from the rafters until it's dead.

It's the Only Way to Be Sure.

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TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72410: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:11:36 PM

I had no problem with the Krillin fights, the one vs Gohan served to prove that Krillin was more experienced in tournament rules than Gohan, which is a crucial point for why he's on the team. The fight against Goku never steps into fully unbelievable territory considering even if Gokus transformed there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be holding back enough to avoid killing his best friend. It also serves as a reminder of 18s talent for working in pairs and the fact that Goku isn't used to uneven matches against fairly strong opponents since every foe he's faced that's a threat to him has always fought him one on one.

and I said GT FELT like it was written by someone who hated the series, not that it actually was. Every arc felt like some sort of insult to a fan of Dragon Ball, all the characters besides Goku were useless, and even Goku was horribly limited and all of the arcs were just depressing. Find the Dragonballs or the world explodes. The Villain has brainwashed everyone to hate the main characters and taken over one of Goku's best friends. 17 has joined an evil copy of himself from hell and is Going to kill his sister's loved ones. The dragonballs hate you now. Everyone is dead, the end.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:13:19 PM by TwistedGear

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72411: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:14:23 PM

Sorry.

I'm just not in the mood for yet another argument about the same thing where everyone just restates their position on the topic for several pages with no forward progress or change from any parties. It's exhausting, repetitive, and makes me feel like nobody, myself included, is contributing anything new or meaningful to the running conversation. I hate it. I hate this. I don't want to keep arguing over the same things with the same people on the same sides, over and over again.

I just want to have civil, succinct conversations about new topics, things that we haven't gone in circles for pages pointlessly many times before. It's not like there's no shortage of possible topics. New things are happening in this franchise all the time nowadays.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72412: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:15:19 PM

If we're talking purely design, then Beerus is good. Whis looks kinda stupid. Champa gets too many fat jokes. Vados is actually alright too but a little plain. I've barely seen the others but the clown looks dumb, twintails was cute, Sidra was... okay and Roh at least had a very appropriate design. Sleazy design for a sleazy god who can't run a proper universe.

I don't remember what another of the other gods looked like. I think there was a robot?

But Arha thinks all fanfics are terrible by default.

See, Rob gets it. I've seen truly terrible fanfiction before and Super isn't that bad. It just has that air of missing what made the original series good in favor of "fixing" the way the series treated the writers favorite character.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72413: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:15:58 PM

Yeah, nothing new is happening.

It's a tournamento, remember?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#72414: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:18:07 PM

People keep bring up why "tournament experience" is important, and it just doesn't land with me. The rules are not complicated, you don't need "experience" to understand "don't kill people, and you lose if you fall out the ring." Anyone they'd be recruiting would have enough control to refrain from killing their opponents, and the other thing is just so, so easy to understand.

As far as flimsy excuses to include characters go, that's a pretty big one. And I feel like it wouldn't even be necessary for Krillin anyway. If they're recruiting the 10 strongest people they know, he'd probably be on the list anyway, even if he would (logically) be by far the weakest one on it.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:21:24 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72415: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:18:46 PM

[up][up][up] Alright then here is a full list of all the Gods.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/God_of_Destruction

And all the Angels.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Angel

Also all this talk about fanfics makes me chuckle cause I just started reading that fic on this site about the Trio De Dangers forming their team which is a pretty fun read all things considered. Especially the fun characterizations the teammates are receiving. tongue

edited 18th Dec '17 10:20:35 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#72416: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:22:01 PM

[up][up][up][up] Basically my stance on Super. It feels less like a real continuation of the series, and more like it's written by some more overzealous fans that want to give their favorites more screentime at the cost of actually making sense.

I still enjoy it mind you because Dragon Ball, but it is what it is. And that's not to insult anyone else that enjoy what Super is doing either.

It's official fanfiction, but hey, it's entertaining official fanfiction at least.

@LSBK: Yea, that was the intent of the "joke". I mean, I am black. It'd be kind of dumb for me to make fun of my own movement :V

edited 18th Dec '17 10:23:09 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#72417: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:23:17 PM

I like Rumsshi's design. I think the last arc would've been a little better if he and Cus showed up. Maybe they could've questioned Beerus about what he's doing in U10.

TwistedGear Don't know how to pilot this thing Since: Jun, 2014
Don't know how to pilot this thing
#72418: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:26:13 PM

Well you have to keep in mind that Dragonball was over for years, and mindsets have changed for alot of people. The way I see it, Super is taking what still works and throwing anything that would slow the story down. And I can't hate it for that. I can hate it for how it ended the Trunks arc, and how they made a few things more squicky than they needed to be (Kid Mai and Roshi's character development could have done with a bit more subtle presentation). But I'd much rather have a series like super that just has fun with the world of Dragonball than a series that takes it's world of wish-granting dragons and martial artist aliens too seriously.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:26:37 PM by TwistedGear

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72419: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:26:59 PM

and I said GT FELT like it was written by someone who hated the series, not that it actually was. Every arc felt like some sort of insult to a fan of Dragon Ball, all the characters besides Goku were useless, and even Goku was horribly limited and all of the arcs were just depressing. Find the Dragonballs or the world explodes. The Villain has brainwashed everyone to hate the main characters and taken over one of Goku's best friends. 17 has joined an evil copy of himself from hell and is Going to kill his sister's loved ones. The dragonballs hate you now. Everyone is dead, the end.

I don't get this argument. I do think the shadow dragons missed the mark, but the rest of it is about as dark as DB normally gets. And you can easily levy these complaints about Super - Trunks was brought back just to gave his mother killed and timeline destroyed, that sounds way more like hating the character than anything out of GT

[up] I'd say Super is doing the opposite - tossing away what works, bringing back unnessecary things and doing nothing to fix the problems it has

edited 18th Dec '17 10:28:01 PM by Saiga

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#72420: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:28:38 PM

But he wasn't as incompetent a fighter...

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#72421: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:31:14 PM

I've only grown comfortable with "Freeza" because TFS made the joke with Trunks saying "Fry-za," and making a mental note to correct the spelling error when he got back to his time.

I mainly remember that joke for how TFS tried to go out of their way to make a take that only to not do their research.

Words with "-ie-" followed by a soft consonant are generally pronounced with a hard "E", not a hard "I" (the difference between, say, "reprieve" and "tie"), so regardless "Frieza" would sound identical to "Freeza," and instead Trunks ends up looking like he doesn't know how to pronounce things.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:34:09 PM by KnownUnknown

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72422: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:32:07 PM

TFS trying to make a jab that betrays their own ignorance? Say it isn't so.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72423: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:32:13 PM

If we're going top ten strongest characters, then Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Buu, 17, 18, Trunks, Goten and then I guess the series wanted to bring back Freeza again so whatever, he's number 10.

So yeah Krillin doesn't make the cut. The weakest person on the team is 18 and she's far, far stronger than he is. And that's without cheating and bringing back other dead characters like Cell, 16 or Dabura.

Hell, even Babidi would be a better pick than Krillin.

Oh yeah and as far as the other gods and angels, at a glance, I like the fox and elephant somewhat, Egypt girl got a 'why is she Egyptian' reaction and the angels are generally kind of bland.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:34:18 PM by Arha

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72424: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:34:14 PM

He counts if you exclude dead characters!

Like I still don't think Freeza is a good idea in or out of universe. I can accept them not trusting to revive Dabra or not thinking of it.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#72425: Dec 18th 2017 at 10:35:45 PM

If you exclude dead characters I would probably consider Pan to be a bigger asset.

Okay but seriously I guess he might squeeze in at ten.

edited 18th Dec '17 10:36:46 PM by Arha


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