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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#72326: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:08:45 PM

Giving them all Kaio-ken just makes Goku learning it less special.

I'm still shocked that Tien managed to stall Cell.

edited 18th Dec '17 5:09:30 PM by hardcorefakes

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#72327: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:09:36 PM

I mean, it's undermined by all the other characters being fucking idiots but it's a character doing something fairly reasonable while not too powerful (Cell is delayed but totally undamaged, for instance). I'd probably have Tien outright die from the strain though.

[up] Goku already has about a dozen other things on them not to mention he's not going to even use it for the rest of Z. All it would do is make it more reasonable that they could act as backup.

edited 18th Dec '17 5:12:24 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72328: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:11:10 PM

Tien delays Cell long enough for the Saiyans to finishing training.

Would the world have ended if Cell had gotten it earlier?

[up] Not gonna make much of a difference.

edited 18th Dec '17 5:13:24 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72329: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:13:10 PM

Probably not, it didn't really take that long for them to finish...

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#72330: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:13:54 PM

[up][up] It would make a couple things like Tien's stalling moment easier to swallow (though personally if I made DB I wouldn't have battle powers explode like they started to with Freeza and I certainly wouldn't give someone a 50x multiplier form with barely any drawbacks).

edited 18th Dec '17 5:14:12 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72331: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:18:56 PM

Death threats? What? Vatek is saying that most of the characters not named Goku literally serve no purpose but to die to the saiyans.

Yeah, but it's still a good arc, and admittedly, it works in a vacuum. Plus that's not really their fault: it's just that I feel like Toriyama never knew what to do with those guys, but still insisted on involving them in big fights.

I wouldnt say ten stalling on cell is using him well. It's just fanservice and mostly irrelevent That's the kind of unnnessecary element I'd cut

And then what? Cell eats 18 and wins since Trunks and Vegeta don't come out in time to make him wonder how they got so strong?

Plus, I get that some people are annoyed at Tien being overhyped, but again, in an arc where damn near everyone was tossing around the idiot ball, Tien is the only one who takes a course of action that doesn't have any detrimental effects (and in fact helps the situation). Yes, it's ultimately irrelevant, but that's not his fault, but literally everyone's fault but him.

At most, it's incredibly crazy that the Kikohou is that strong, but the mechanics behind it has never really been explained (why is using your life force more powerful than using your normal Ki?), but I'm ok with that.

But we're not here to talk about Tien, and I get the feeling we won't agree, so lets just say I win and leave it at that.cool

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#72332: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:25:14 PM

Also I belive that Tien uses the *Shin* Kikoho for the first time in this fight. So it might be significantly more powerful than the regular Kikoho.

As for why moves that take your life do extra damage, same principle as Ramming Always Works.

edited 18th Dec '17 5:41:09 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#72333: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:54:40 PM

I agree that the Saiyan arc is one of the weakest in Z, itself the weakest part of the series in terms of writing. The Humans and Piccolo literally accomplish nothing until Goku shows up. The Saibamen are disposable mooks and are just there to fill time and kill Yamcha, and nothing anyone does to Nappa matters whatsoever because he's still able to fight Goku perfectly fine once Goku shows up. The Saiyan arc also starts the shitty trend of Goku being absent for large sections of the story while the side characters accomplish nothing of value waiting for Goku to finally get there and solve all their problems. He doesn't beat Vegeta by himself, but Vegeta wasn't an active threat until after Goku got there.

Say what you want about Super's writing consistency, at least Goku is treated as the main character and is present throughout the arcs. You don't have Black hospitalize Goku for most of the arc while Vegeta, Trunks, Krillin, and Piccolo hold Black off until Goku recovers to Deus ex Machina the threat away. Goku takes an active role participating throughout the plot here, which is more than I can say for the first two arcs of Z.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#72334: Dec 18th 2017 at 5:59:12 PM

[up][up][up]oh, don't get me wrong. I love the Saiyan arc. I'm just poking some fun at it.

Honestly nothing in this series rubs me the wrong way so much that I dislike it (outside of Super, which has a lot of things that I dislike but overall enjoy nonetheless).

I find it hard to say which is my favorite arc in the series. The Saiyan arc is so good, but the Namek saga is godlike levels of iconic, but the Cell Saga is so epic and the best finale...

but I think my favorite arc might just have to be the beginning of the Buu saga where Gohan becomes the Great Saiyaman. We hadn't seen such low stakes enjoyment since the beginning of Dragon Ball, and it was a refreshing change of pace. Not to mention the fact that I love Gohan's characterization and his relationship with Videl.

edited 18th Dec '17 6:00:11 PM by EpicBleye

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72335: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:04:05 PM

The Boo Saga is Z pinnacle...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72336: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:04:35 PM

[up] "Buu" Saga. tongue

edited 18th Dec '17 6:07:14 PM by slimcoder

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72337: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:09:45 PM

Randomness misspells and misgrammers however Randomness wants.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72338: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:09:51 PM

I agree that the Saiyan arc is one of the weakest in Z

...that's not what I said.

Am I sleep posting? Cause I hate that. I admit to all my flaws and foibles in that state, which is bullshit since I'm the epitome of perfection.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72339: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:10:42 PM

I wasn't agreeing with you. I was agreeing with the other people who said that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72341: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:15:14 PM

Does someone keep track on that? tongue

edited 18th Dec '17 6:15:27 PM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72342: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:16:01 PM

Boo isn't a misspelling. It's how it is spelled in the original line from Cinderella and a valid transliteration of how his name is written.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72343: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:18:10 PM

[up][up]

No one answer that.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#72344: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:24:04 PM

The Viz translation calls him "Boo".

Granted, they also thought "Djinn" is an acceptable localization for "Majin", so what do they know?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72345: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:25:40 PM

[up][up] Someone answer. tongue

Well I grew up on Buu so that's my preferred name for the pink blob.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72346: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:26:36 PM

Viz was on point and gave us Vegerot which makes more sense than Vegito so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

This song needs more love.
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#72347: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:28:34 PM

I warmed up to Vegerot when I realized it makes more sense if you stress the second syllable.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#72348: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:31:10 PM

But...Vegetto?

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72349: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:32:40 PM

Vegetto works. Vegerot works. Vegito doesn't. It and Kefla should not exist.

edited 18th Dec '17 6:33:04 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#72350: Dec 18th 2017 at 6:34:52 PM

Vegerot sounds so stupid though?


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