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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#72176: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:34:38 AM

[up][up][up]I think that would be a great idea, especially if they do a call back to the Father-Son Kamehameha.

edited 17th Dec '17 11:35:10 AM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#72177: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:36:27 AM

I would laugh if fucking Dyspo winds up being the final opponent of the tournament.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#72178: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:41:10 AM

Honestly, there have been a lot of debates on how reliable Goten and Trunks would be in the tournament.

I understand the main reason why they aren't in (pandering to nostalgia, which is odd, as Toriyama has never been one for that before considering how casual he is about screwing characters over for the sake of the plot he wants), but I gotta say, after how badly they botched Buu (though I admit that not all of it was their fault, but they pulled a lot of dumb stunts in the build up, and if they'd gone Super Saiyan 3 from the start, they might have found a way to actually win or at least avoid getting everyone else killed) I'm not sure I'd want them involved in something so important.

Plus, once again, their moms would likely object to their involvement.

Finally, whatever you believe about how well they should do, I feel like Goten and Trunks would be more slaves to the plot than anything else. If someone is needed to mess up to create some drama, they'd be perfect for that role. So in the end, glad they aren't there, as I don't expect them to get a fair shake this time.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72179: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:43:56 AM

Goku: "Goten and Trunks are too unreliable."

Also Goku: "Yo Frieza you want in on this?"

edited 17th Dec '17 11:44:22 AM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#72180: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:45:03 AM

Well yeah, I agree that the Frieza thing is really stupid (as I hate that they cut out Buu in the first place).

This is why they should have kept Future Trunks around. Then again, maybe that would be risky considering how Time Travel is viewed.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#72181: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:50:45 AM

I agree with keeping F. Trunks around. Then they could have replaced Tien (sorry best buddy but they didn't do anything with you in the tournament :c). Sending him off to an alt. universe makes little sense - he doesn't know any of the people there.

Heck, you could have replaced Master Roshi and Krillin with Freeza and Cell alongside Fat Boo and it would have been a pretty cool dynamic between the main heroes and the three main villains.

edited 17th Dec '17 11:52:07 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#72182: Dec 17th 2017 at 11:51:34 AM

but I gotta say, after how badly they botched Buu (though I admit that not all of it was their fault, but they pulled a lot of dumb stunts in the build up, and if they'd gone Super Saiyan 3 from the start, they might have found a way to actually win or at least avoid getting everyone else killed) I'm not sure I'd want them involved in something so important.

By that logic, Gohan should be out too, since he dropped the ball even harder (which Piccolo even called him out on).

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#72183: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:04:58 PM

This isn't just a contest of strength. It's a tournament with rules. My guess is that Goku assumed that Goten and Trunks would just spend too much time fucking around instead of focusing on the task at hand (that is, going for ringouts).

Ironic given that's exactly what Goku ended up doing for a good portion of the Tournament. That and Krillin got eliminated within the first 10 minutes. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72184: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:07:13 PM

All that blather about this being a tournament of skill is complete bullshit anyway.

Only Roshi actually did impressive shit but all that talk about the skill based fighters ended up accomplishing jack-shit while Goku & Vegeta get by, by being overwhelmingly stronger than most of the contestants.

Tohei done fucked up on that one.

edited 17th Dec '17 12:07:36 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72185: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:07:19 PM

I wouldn't say Goku's been avoiding eliminations. He has the most of anyone!

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#72186: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:09:42 PM

The literal one and only time PMC agrees with the canon is when it agrees with him.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#72187: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:10:20 PM

In all honesty though, with all the pandering to Pre-Buu Saga Z, I'm surprised Cell still hasn't made a comeback.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#72188: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:10:57 PM

He's too hard to draw.

Also, has anyone talked about Brian Drummond as Copygeta yet?

edited 17th Dec '17 12:11:04 PM by SonOfSharknado

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72189: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:11:35 PM

[up][up][up]Wanna explain what you mean by that, preferably with specific examples?

[up]Yeah, it was mentioned.

edited 17th Dec '17 12:12:16 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#72190: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:11:59 PM

Isn't Cell not that popular in Japan?

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#72191: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:13:37 PM

[up][up][up] Last night when the episode came on Toonami.

We even thought they should get Scott Mcneil to voice one of the U6 Namekians which lead to a conversation about the To P contestants getting fun accents & voices for when the dub gets that far.

[up] Apparently not, he's behind Frieza & Buu where the latter is the most popular villain.

edited 17th Dec '17 12:14:08 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#72192: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:14:20 PM

As for how Gohan could help against Jiren if those song lyrics are actually supposed to be taken at face value maybe he'll awaken Ultra Instinct too. It would piss off Vegeta which would be hilarious, so that's a plus.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#72194: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:15:32 PM

[up][up] The DBZ subreddit is full of Vegeta fanboys, so I'd like that to happen just to see the fireworks there.

edited 17th Dec '17 12:15:40 PM by Lionheart0

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#72195: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:17:32 PM

That song theory is basically the ending elimination order theory all over again, as far as credibility goes. So far the baldness theory holds up much better. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#72196: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:21:33 PM

[up]The opening elimination theory's still going strong, though.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#72197: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:22:43 PM

Man, now I wish Peter Kelamis had been brought in to dub Cabba.

edited 17th Dec '17 12:25:11 PM by SonOfSharknado

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#72199: Dec 17th 2017 at 12:55:12 PM

[up] I straight-up cackled when they got to Rolf. [lol]

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#72200: Dec 17th 2017 at 1:04:32 PM

That doesn't sound implausable at all, SSJ is a multiplier and Future Trunks has been undergoing strenuous training for a good long while and Kid Trunks has not, not to mention Future Trunks being a good few years older and more physically developed.

What makes it implausible is what the series already established. The Super Saiyan Kids are Full Power Super Saiyans, which is where most of the benefits of being Super Saiyan come from. All of F Trunks' strenuos training doesn't compare to the gains he made from sparring with a Super Saiyan and mastering the form. That took him two years. It took Goku and Gohan one. Goten and kid Trunks have done both. They're still not on the adult Saiyans' level, but they're not terribly far off like some fans want them to be.

They're stronger than 18 at the very least, and can put up a decent fight against Gohan. The idea that they're 50 times weaker than the adults is truly ludicrous, unless you massively overestimate the adults.

Furthermore, the idea that Kuririn would be stronger than any forms is not rooted in any logic at all and based entirely in fan desire. Both points would be why Super seems to be going with that.

Kuririn admitted inferiority to base Goten/Trunks, though that would be obvious anyway. The fan battle powers you got are complete bullshit, Goten/Trunks are stronger than Namek Goku so are at least ovee 150 mill. Kururin's last recorded battle power is 75,000 and he gave up fighting about 3 years after that, never using the room, not training on Kaio's planet, and not having any sparring partners.

If you think 3 years of medicore training could bring him up to 9 million from that point, I don't see how you could ever complain about Goten and Trunks' strength.

Regardless, pre-Super Kuririn was nowhere near base Goten in strength and the idea that he would be a better pick for the tournament based on technique or experience is nonsense. We have seen across all of Dragon ball that with a certain difference of power, victory becomes impossible. And that's the most logical outcome: experience can't save you if someone moves way faster than you can react and can tear you apart like wet paper.


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