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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#71801: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:27:03 PM

No, it's a Vegeta criticism because its putting the character in the same role he's always been.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71802: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:28:12 PM

Yes, but he's only the jobber because Goku *always* has to be the champ.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#71803: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:28:59 PM

And Goku hasn't "won everything" in a long while. A couple of people have brought up that him just straight up winning here would be the more unexpected than anything else given previous patterns.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71804: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:29:22 PM

[up][up][up] Exactly.

Krillen, Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, they have all moved on with their lives except for Vegeta.

Its hard to be excited for a man who's job in the show is to be nothing more than a literal fucking failure.

edited 14th Dec '17 8:29:48 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71805: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:31:20 PM

Yea, but "Someone jobs to make way for Goku" doesn't always have to be Vegeta. Are we seriously blaming Goku for Vegeta's jobbing now? That's some Youtube comment tier stuff.

And like LSBK said, Goku hasn't always won. :V

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71806: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:31:32 PM

Either Goku eventually wins against that character or nobody does. He beats Hit in their rematch (and Goku has lost matches to a lot of people he eventually beat in a rematch). He doesn't beat Zamasu but Zamasu isn't really killed by any of the actual cast.

The exception is Beerus.

It's not that Goku wins every fight he's in it's that at basically no point since he passed Master Roshi has he ever been anything but the strongest relative player on the good team. Now, in a power system with more variety this isn't a huge problem but in DB there aren't really specialties and it's more that the strongest bloke makes everyone else useless 99% of the time.

edited 14th Dec '17 8:37:15 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#71807: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:37:20 PM

My theory with Vegeta is he does manage to unlock UI in his attempt to fight Jiren, and puts up a slightly better fight than Goku did the first go around since he leans more on the "physical attack" spectrum, but ultimately lose and gets eliminated since he isn't able to dodge/counter Jiren's attack like Goku could.

It would at least match Whis' evaluation of Goku and Vegeta's fighting style back during the Resurrection F arc.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#71808: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:37:43 PM

(and Goku has lost matches to a lot of people he eventually beat in a rematch)

He didn't beat Veggie in their rematch...didn't really rematch anyone else in Z.

Actually, that only applies to Ten, Piccoro, and Tao...mostly early DB.

edited 14th Dec '17 8:42:36 PM by randomness4

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71809: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:39:24 PM

You mean after he got back from the afterlife in the Buu Saga?

Where he cut the fight short to deal with Buu and Vegeta sneak attacked him?

And then the SSJ 3 reveal showed that he had basically been sandbagging that whole time?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71810: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:40:27 PM

Random cameo by Eight.

This episode is literally putting me to sleep. You aren't cool enough to pull off that level of smug, Zamasu, nor are you hateful enough for it to be intentionally grating.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#71811: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:41:18 PM

[up][up]That's the plot stuff I'm referring to, yes.

edited 14th Dec '17 8:44:18 PM by randomness4

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71812: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:42:52 PM

My point is that that fight doesn't really count since it was cut short and Goku was massively holding back the entire time.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#71813: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:45:14 PM

But think of it like this...SSJ 2 Veggie is stronger than SSJ 2 Karrot.

Holding back? I don't think SSJ 3 existed at that point.

edited 14th Dec '17 8:45:56 PM by randomness4

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71814: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:46:56 PM

Nope. Goku said they were dead even at SSJ 2.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#71815: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:51:00 PM

I guess there is a strength cap for each form...

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#71816: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:51:07 PM

SSJ 2 Veggie is stronger than SSJ 2 Karrot.

What gives you that idea? The whole reason Vegeta allowed himself to get possessed by Babidi was because he realized Goku was still stronger than him during Goku's fight with Yakon. And even after the fact, Majin Possessed Vegeta was only, at best, able to fight on par with SS 2 Goku.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#71817: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:51:51 PM

They were even at SSJ 2, but Toriyama hadn't come up with SSJ 3 yet.

In universe, we can look at it as Goku...well choosing a shitty time to sandbag and play to Vegeta's pride.

And like LSBK said, Goku hasn't always won. :V

In a way that makes it worse. Everyone else loses and gets beat in order to build up hype for Goku...who fails anyway. So what was the point of the rest of them even losing like that if the guy they were losing to hype up fails as well.

Though it does work pretty well at times: Goku vs Cell for one thing, where Goku is there to build up to Gohan taking the stage. Goku vs Hit is another example. In the end, even if he lost, it was on his terms, and by his own choice.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#71818: Dec 14th 2017 at 8:55:40 PM

[up][up]I wasn't being too specific...but it's what could've been.

That would have been the obvious direction to go...but he didn't.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71819: Dec 14th 2017 at 10:43:22 PM

Well, finished Zamasu arc. Guess I just need to watch baseball filler and sexual predator Roshi filler and then it's time to get to the arc you all are on.

That said, not sure I'll be getting to that immediately since there's a FGO event about to start that I've been looking forward to.

Edit: Oh yeah and the second half was shit, the ending was shit and the entire thing was a pointless Shoot the Shaggy Dog story.

edited 14th Dec '17 10:44:27 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#71820: Dec 14th 2017 at 10:44:44 PM

Edit: Wait got it.

Hope you enjoy the baseball at least.

edited 14th Dec '17 10:45:14 PM by slimcoder

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#71821: Dec 15th 2017 at 12:40:41 AM

Oh, so not only does Yamcha use his superhuman strength to get an unfair advantage at baseball, he also cheats by basically using magic to change pitches mid throw.

Scum.

Anyway, I admit it, this is pretty fun filler. When is the molestor Roshi episode? I want to be mad about it.

edited 15th Dec '17 12:49:23 AM by Arha

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#71822: Dec 15th 2017 at 12:58:46 AM

Wasn't it the Tien highlight episode? (Roshi sort of hijacked it because, as has been documented elsewhere, Japan hates Tien).

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#71823: Dec 15th 2017 at 1:03:18 AM

Its after the tournament scrimage thing and some of the recruitment eps.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#71824: Dec 15th 2017 at 1:05:24 AM

When the dub gets to the Arale episode, I wonder who will voice her.

I can't wait to hear Vegeta in that episode.

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Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#71825: Dec 15th 2017 at 1:07:05 AM

She was voiced by Brina Palencia in her cameo appearance last week. Come to think of it, who voiced her in the Dragon Ball dub?

edited 15th Dec '17 1:10:11 AM by Rynnec


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